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Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by Someone1234 »

simulate wrote: post #161
AlexandrB wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. I'm old enough to remember when this was standard. Before smartphones almost all cellphones were bought through carriers and came pre-loaded with a bunch of carrier crapware (often unremovable). One of the best things about the first iPhone was t…

Like the iPhones, phones distributed by Google, starting with the Google Phone G1 in 2008, and continuing to the Nexus phones and today's current Pixel phones (Pixel 1, 2, and 3), have never had crapware.

That isn't really accurate, you're just defining "crapware" is such a way so that Google's apps don't qualify. That's a double standard.

Google Drive, Gmail, Google Photos, Play Music, Play Movies, Play Games, Play Books, Duo, Google+, and YouTube could all be called as crapware since they aren't required for core phone functions (and upsell for-profit services).

I guess it is somewhat a discussion what we mean by "crapware." But I'd argue most reasonable definitions include at least some of Google's pre-installed apps.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by tivert »

partiallypro wrote: post #238
sangnoir wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reporting on terrible things doesn't need a conspiracy. Can you imagine someone saying "I'm no Ebola fan, but doesn't it feel..."

Except they don't report on Google. That would be like reporting on Ebola as a #1 killer, but then ignoring the Opioid crisis.

Facebook is only company that operates social networks that deeply penetrate the US population. Google doesn't have any successful social networks. Twitter isn't used heavily by typical people, and neither is Snapchat or Reddit.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by suby »

higginsc wrote: post #183
Bahamut wrote: post #132

While I like using FB, this is type of behavior by Android OEMs that largely drove me to the iPhone. The main reason I rooted my phone prior was to get rid of crappy apps I don't use from being on my screen. Around 4-5 years ago, Android phone manufacturers started locking down their phones more while not letting them be rooted. They didn't solve the problem of having undeleteable apps waste my time & space with clea…

I've been an iPhone user for a decade and am a huge Apple fanboy, but even with that bias, I have to say this is a load of crap. Apple has been adding loads of undeletable bloat since forever. they only really let you start deleting the Apple pre-installed apps very recently. I still have a folder on my devices called "iCrap."

I still remember them automatically downloading a U2 album to everyone's phone. They are definitely not without fualt in this area.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by monkeynotes »

samstave wrote: post #245
Bahamut wrote: post #208

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There's a huge difference between Apple's built in apps and the third party apps doing who knows what background processing/data mining on phone usage. The effects on performance such as battery life is very noticeable.

This is what I want to know; If you get a brand new device and it has FB app installed - but if you never open it or use FB, does that app still monitor things like browsing activity and report anything back to FB?

Aren't android and iOS apps mostly sandboxed? It would be news to me if AppX could access browsing information from Chrome, at least without asking you for permission. Apps can't access folder i/o without permission, surely they can't monitor browsing history without permission.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by matchbok »

higginsc wrote: post #183
Bahamut wrote: post #132

While I like using FB, this is type of behavior by Android OEMs that largely drove me to the iPhone. The main reason I rooted my phone prior was to get rid of crappy apps I don't use from being on my screen. Around 4-5 years ago, Android phone manufacturers started locking down their phones more while not letting them be rooted. They didn't solve the problem of having undeleteable apps waste my time & space with clea…

I've been an iPhone user for a decade and am a huge Apple fanboy, but even with that bias, I have to say this is a load of crap. Apple has been adding loads of undeletable bloat since forever. they only really let you start deleting the Apple pre-installed apps very recently. I still have a folder on my devices called "iCrap."

Bloatware != preinstalled OS software. There are 0 preinstalled third-party apps on the iPhone.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by partiallypro »

tivert wrote: post #252
partiallypro wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they don't report on Google. That would be like reporting on Ebola as a #1 killer, but then ignoring the Opioid crisis.

Facebook is only company that operates social networks that deeply penetrate the US population. Google doesn't have any successful social networks. Twitter isn't used heavily by typical people, and neither is Snapchat or Reddit.

How are the problems facing Facebook "social network" specific? I don't believe they are, and I don't think many if any experts on the matter do either.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by rglullis »

Someone1234 wrote: post #251
simulate wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the iPhones, phones distributed by Google, starting with the Google Phone G1 in 2008, and continuing to the Nexus phones and today's current Pixel phones (Pixel 1, 2, and 3), have never had crapware.

That isn't really accurate, you're just defining "crapware" is such a way so that Google's apps don't qualify. That's a double standard. Google Drive, Gmail, Google Photos, Play Music, Play Movies, Play Games, Play Books, Duo, Google+, and YouTube could all be called as crapware since they aren't required for core phone functions (and upsell for-profit services). I guess it is somewhat a discussion what we mean by "c…

Not defending Google's practices, but there is no double standard here. Apple's apps are also not removable in the iPhone.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by dalore »

partiallypro wrote: post #167
AlexandrB wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. I'm old enough to remember when this was standard. Before smartphones almost all cellphones were bought through carriers and came pre-loaded with a bunch of carrier crapware (often unremovable). One of the best things about the first iPhone was t…

Android itself has undeletable Google apps.

Not all Android platforms. The Amazon Fire platform which is Android is clearly lacking the Google apps and it's pain to install them.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by Meic »

simulate wrote: post #161
AlexandrB wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. I'm old enough to remember when this was standard. Before smartphones almost all cellphones were bought through carriers and came pre-loaded with a bunch of carrier crapware (often unremovable). One of the best things about the first iPhone was t…

Like the iPhones, phones distributed by Google, starting with the Google Phone G1 in 2008, and continuing to the Nexus phones and today's current Pixel phones (Pixel 1, 2, and 3), have never had crapware.

Unless you count various preinstalled Google apps as crapware.
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