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Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Many Android phones don't have "crap" installed on them. This is a phone manufacturer issue and not an Android phone.

It's both. Why does Android have undeletable apps anyway?

> Why does Android have undeletable apps anyway?

It was explained only zillion times, but I will try one more:

In android, you have storage in two partitions: /system and /data.

/system is read-only, this is where anything that is shipped with phone is stored. Outside of system updates, it is not being touched.

/data is, where user data, installed applications, configuration, etc. is stored.

To factory reset the phone, you just wipe the /data. No separate partition for factory reset is necessary, because /system due to its immutability doubles as one. Anything you configure/change/etc is stored on /data. If you disable any bundled app, whether through gui or adb, the info that you disabled it is written into /data.

Once you want to sell your phone on craiglist, you wipe /data and the buyer gets exactly the same software you originally got.

There is also secondary use of the immutability: android system is distributed as partition image, not as a file archive. That means, that the physical fs layout is same for all devices of the same SKU, can be signed (dm-verity), and then verified at boot, whether the filesystem was modified or not. This is being used for ensuring secure boot, and unsealing secrets in trusted environment.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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I'm no Facebook fan, but doesn't it feel like there is a coordinated media effort to destroy Facebook? It's quite strange. Outside of WSJ, Google seems to get away with it almost the same things Facebook is doing. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Reporting on terrible things doesn't need a conspiracy. Can you imagine someone saying "I'm no Ebola fan, but doesn't it feel..."

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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> It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. I'm old enough to remember when this was standard. Before smartphones almost all cellphones were bought through carriers and came pre-loaded with a bunch of carrier crapware (often unremovable). One of the best things about the first iPhone was t…

Android itself has undeletable Google apps.

They are easily disable-able.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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I'm not a huge facebook fan but this thing about only being able to disable but not delete the app is misleading about how sinister it is. All it means is that the app comes installed by being part of the ROM image. It can be disabled which is essentially the same as deleting it, except you don't get the space back (which is fine since it's the rom, you can't use it without reflashing anyway). Once disabled, the Face…

Agree 100%. This is the same bloatware Android has seen since day one, nothing new here.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. I'm old enough to remember when this was standard. Before smartphones almost all cellphones were bought through carriers and came pre-loaded with a bunch of carrier crapware (often unremovable). One of the best things about the first iPhone was t…

Laptops with preinstalled Windows also have a tremendous amount of crapware from various vendors. Trial versions of antivirus software, system "optimizing" apps, sometimes outright spyware too. Thankfully Mac users don't have to put up with this kind of consumer-hostile bullshit.

Macs have all consumer Apple apps preloaded, and the user cannot delete them without reinstalling macOS from scratch.

Imagine a poor user, getting Apple computer with 128GB SSD, where 10GB or more is being taken by GarageBand or iMovie, which he isn't going to touch during the machine lifetime.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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I'm no Facebook fan, but doesn't it feel like there is a coordinated media effort to destroy Facebook? It's quite strange. Outside of WSJ, Google seems to get away with it almost the same things Facebook is doing. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I can live without Facebook. I can't live without Google.

That's irrelevant to journalistic standards.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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I'm no Facebook fan, but doesn't it feel like there is a coordinated media effort to destroy Facebook? It's quite strange. Outside of WSJ, Google seems to get away with it almost the same things Facebook is doing. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Oh the tiresome conspiracy theory. Right, editors from different media publications are "coordinating." They are actively strategizing and communicating with one another in order to "destroy" one of the most powerful companies in the world. Because there's zero possibility that given involvement of FB in everything from violence in Myanmar, Philippines and Sri Lank to fake political ads in US elections, FB's further…

Except those had been going on for years, and now all of a sudden, after Facebook changes their algorithm, journalists notice that Facebook has a problem.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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I'm no Facebook fan, but doesn't it feel like there is a coordinated media effort to destroy Facebook? It's quite strange. Outside of WSJ, Google seems to get away with it almost the same things Facebook is doing. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Reporting on terrible things doesn't need a conspiracy. Can you imagine someone saying "I'm no Ebola fan, but doesn't it feel..."

Except they don't report on Google. That would be like reporting on Ebola as a #1 killer, but then ignoring the Opioid crisis.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Am I the only one experiencing "Facebook is so bad" fatigue? I am not implying that there should be no criticism, I believe quite the opposite, but I think we have heard all of this before, many times over.

Repetition is in some ways emphasis. The fact that you are getting fatigued is showing that it is slowly working, and that people are slowly waking up to it.

Disagree. Instead it's showing the signal to noise ratio has reached a level where the content doesn't outweigh the category. People are in fact slowly falling back asleep to it.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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I'm no Facebook fan, but doesn't it feel like there is a coordinated media effort to destroy Facebook? It's quite strange. Outside of WSJ, Google seems to get away with it almost the same things Facebook is doing. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I can live without Facebook. I can't live without Google.

I think you'd find a way to "live" (i.e., survive in the modern world) if Google disappeared. Their dominance makes it extremely difficult to avoid using their products and services, but it's possible.
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