Grey text

#1

Post by Zecar » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 2:47 AM UTC

I've been reading this site for a while now. I notice in most discussions that a large percentage of commenters have their text greyed out. From watching, it appears that this happens either when a bunch of people downvote them or when a privileged user does something to their post.

Which ever the cause I think this is a policy that is harmful to deep and meaningful discussion. There's no doubt that this sort of "public muting" will have the affect of reinforcing group think. Does it seem healthy to do this to opposing views? Shouldn't we all desire to have our beliefs challenged by alternate viewpoints once in a while?

I see grey text in every thread, about every subject, for what appears to be any reason at all. Every day I see polite, reasoned opinions, about things that are far from "settled matters", even about such things as esoteric as Javascript code architecture, muted for saying something against the grain.

This is not a positive thing.

I ask that you please cease this absurd practice. If a post's content is inappropriate or detracts from a discussion, please remove it, but please stop this group think enforcing policy.

Re: Grey text

#2

Post by hjek » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 4:23 AM UTC

If you find it annoying to read, use something like Dark Reader[0].

If you think a voting system is a harmful way of deciding what content is useful, then what do you propose instead?

[0]: https://darkreader.org/

Re: Grey text

#3

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 5:08 AM UTC

hjek wrote: post #2

If you find it annoying to read, use something like Dark Reader[0]. If you think a voting system is a harmful way of deciding what content is useful, then what do you propose instead? [0]: https://darkreader.org/

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Re: Grey text

#4

Post by oldmancoyote » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 6:29 AM UTC

You are very right.

A YC Moderator responded to a similar post alleging that it was necessary to maintain civility. If someone reading this is a Moderator, I dare you to do a test. You have the resources. Select several hundred suppressed comments at random and tabulate wether there is abuse in the post, or if not then tabulate it as disagreement. This is the sort of thing you are paid to do, so do it!

As you say it's actually being used to suppress divergence of opinion. Every time it's done to me, it takes longer than before for me to resume commenting on HN. Eventually I will stop.

What can be done? Sufficient loss of reputation points for a down vote etc. would probably be enough to discourage frivolous actions.

Re: Grey text

#5

Post by Zecar » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 4:08 PM UTC

oldmancoyote wrote: post #4

You are very right. A YC Moderator responded to a similar post alleging that it was necessary to maintain civility. If someone reading this is a Moderator, I dare you to do a test. You have the resources. Select several hundred suppressed comments at random and tabulate wether there is abuse in the post, or if not then tabulate it as disagreement. This is the sort of thing you are paid to do, so do it! As you say it'…

> Sufficient loss of reputation points for a down vote etc. would probably be enough to discourage frivolous actions.

This sounds like a great resolution. It's not that I think jerks need to get their voices heard, there should be some sort of detriment to abusive / rude / unhelpful posts, and I think your suggestion accomplishes that without reinforcing the group think. Good idea.

Re: Grey text

#6

Post by hjek » Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 7:18 PM UTC

oldmancoyote wrote: post #4

You are very right. A YC Moderator responded to a similar post alleging that it was necessary to maintain civility. If someone reading this is a Moderator, I dare you to do a test. You have the resources. Select several hundred suppressed comments at random and tabulate wether there is abuse in the post, or if not then tabulate it as disagreement. This is the sort of thing you are paid to do, so do it! As you say it'…

> This is the sort of thing you are paid to do

You sure about that?