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Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

UK/EU citizen here (also having written this with a bottle of wine inside me :))

You know, I'm not a vegan, nor even a vegetarian. But as I've gotten older (I'm knocking on 52 - and god damn used to love a nicely cooked fillet steak!) I've found my eating habits tending more towards vegetarian. The last red meat I ate was a year ago...not through health reasons, but because I've kinda gone off it. I still eat some chicken, but even then it's a dwindling part of my diet.

I'm not an extremist, but as I've gotten older, I've begun to find the idea of eating another living being more than slightly repugnant. It's not that I've succumbed to vegan ideology, but I kinda got here by myself. I'm lucky to live in a rural area and bump into cows and sheep all the time. This may sound a bit odd, but I see them and interact with them and one day thought what nice affectionate(?)/curious animals and then, boom! would I kill and eat my cats?

I even recently realised that most of the clothes that I wear are mostly synthetic or cotton based, even the boots I wear. The thought of walking around in another being's slaughtered and dead skin kinda irked me for a few years so I try to buy "man-made" foot wear now.

I think the trick with becoming vegetarian (a starting point) and onto becoming vegan (though I still love eggs; if we treat egg layers nice, and if we treat cows nice can't we still have eggs and milk for a while?) we need to learn how to season and spice our meals to make them appealing.

I'm about 85% of the way there were it not for some dairy products, and in a rural area having better availability to a wider range of vegetables - which believe it or not doesn't happen. And also where I can buy individual carrots, onions, sweet potato by weight....etc (I'm single - don't need a bag of 20 carrots!).

I'm also not sure, philosophically, about the idea of creating synthetic meats to remind us of what it was like to eat a factory slaughtered animal - it seems like creating a video game to satisfy some needs to be 18th century slave owners.

If we had better knowledge about how to make vegetables more inviting, and more available, we wouldn't need this. I ate a vegetarian lasagne the other day, it was glorious. Sure some dairy products were involved but no cows died upside down in a factory being bolted through their skulls...but yes I am aware of the factory farming of milk cows to the tremendous detriment of their health and comfort.

Becoming vegan is a hard thing. I still crave Gressingham "chinese duck", pancakes and hoisin (I use my own, their's is shit).....but I am striving towards this. I genuinely don't think synthetic meats aid this cause.

I am also trying to become a better human and not exploit other living beings for my tastebud sensory gratification.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#402
post #6

That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

> Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors There are. They're called vegetables, fruits, nuts, beans, and grains.

I agree. The original statement was kind of silly. Vegans basically say "You don't need to eat meat" to which a population of meat-eaters say "But I like the way it tastes and feels" so vegans create this burger, and then a population of meat-eaters says "I wish you didn't just try to copy meat."

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not really true. They would need change their model to meat based burgers after they gain market share for their mission to be BS. Profit has nothing to do with it. What you are proposing would prevent them from building a healthy company that can maximize market share and have the largest possible beneficial impact on the environment. I want them to drive all the meat based competitors out of business.

Why does it have to be this company maximizing market share? Releasing the IP would allow others to do that as well, likely increasing the overall meatless share.

I don’t know since I am not the CEO or even in the industry.

Maybe open source IP model would fail to get critical mass. Maybe the best path forward is to get Burger King as an investor.

If they maximize profits while still being committed to an environmentaly friendly meat replacement, that doesn’t mean they are limiting their impact in any way. It’s just as likely they are maximizing their impact.

I personally don’t care how much money they make, but I do care about the environment and animal rights.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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post #94
post #46

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Being born in India, I've had the privilege to eat vegetarian meals that can rival even the best meat based meal. While I welcome 'impossible' meat replacements, it is funny that the meat reduction movement is looking at such impractical and immature products instead of simpler solutions such as bringing veg friendly cuisines to the fore. I am opposed to advocating for cold-turkey veganism though. Milk products and e…

Being of Indian descent, I might be biased. But Indian cuisine is the only cuisine I'm aware of where being vegetarian isn't a compromise in the creativity, quality, and sheer flavors available to you. For other cuisines, where centuries of culinary creativity mostly went towards making meat, this is the only viable approach to weaning us off growing animals for meaty foods.

> But Indian cuisine is the only cuisine I'm aware of where being vegetarian isn't a compromise in the creativity, quality, and sheer flavors available to you.

Of course it is. Vegetarian food is a strict subset of all food.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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post #390

I'm disappointed they switched away from seitan / gluten protein to soy protein. I just like wheat protein better, it feels better to me. But there's tremendous--and unfounded--pressure to eliminate gluten. Sad.

It's not unfounded ... for whatever reason, it seems very few people are allergic to soy, whereas more than 1% of population (Americans ? not sure) have 'allergies' to gluten. My daughter has diagnosed celiac disease, so I'm glad for any pressure to eliminate gluten :) I'm also amazed at how many things you wouldn't imagine have gluten :(

"Celiac disease" is not an allergy. It's an autoimmune response.

https://www.chop.edu/conditions-diseases/celiac-disease

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#406
These burgers are not a suitable nutritional replacement for beef. Beef contains cholesterol, zero carbs, and has a different vitamin/mineral profile.

This stuff has no cholesterol and (a small amount of) carbs while also containing way more salt, thiamine (vitamin B1), and folate (vitamin B9): https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/6205/2

http://livablefutureblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/impo...

FYI, both folate and thiamine over-consumption may be linked to cancer:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29529163

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4178204/

So while it is fine for people to eat it for "pleasure", it may be dangerous to trick the mind into thinking it is consuming a real burger.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#407
post #356

Does anyone know the latest findings from studies that linked soy consumption to estrogen increase in men? The impossible burger being non soy based was a huge selling point for me...

Haven't seen the classic video on it yet, so here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTSvLKY7HEk

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#408
I've tried Impossible burger a couple of times in the last few months. Both were in New York - one in Soho House and one in Lucky's in Chelsea. The former cost about $25, and the latter about $13 (a burger in Lucky's runs about $8 so this is hugely expensive).

The Soho House on was just about the most disappointing thing I'v ever eaten. It tasted like a bad veggie burger. The Lucky's one was fantastic, but whilst meatier, again didn't taste like meat. I think if you served me the patty by itself I'd be able to identify it as not being meat.

My extremely limited sample has led me to conclude that the cooking skill is critical, and that you can go a long way towards persuading someone of a patty's 'meatiness' by dressing it in burger sauce, cheese, etc.

I'm not quite sure that the mission here is something indistinguishable from a real burger, but if it is then it's not there yet. But a great mission and I'll continue to fork out absurd money for them whenever the urge for a beef burger strikes me.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#409
post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that’s the case. It is not feasible for a farmer to buy feed during the lifetime of the animal. It’s the reason they have huge pastures for grazing during warm months. During winter they are usually fed hay. All beef is grass fed period. Some are finished at the end with corn or other dense grains (your soy patties). Here’s an article from a Meat Scientist. https://meatscience.org/TheMeatWeEat/topics/ra…

*mostly grass fed but with other supplemental feed. Mad cow disease propagates from feeding cows the ground up bits of other infected cows.[0] [0] https://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/resourcesforyou/animalh...

There has been 6 cows infected with mad cow disease in the US[1] and only 4 cases in humans.[2]

[1]https://www.cdc.gov/prions/bse/bse-north-america.html

[2]https://www-m.cnn.com/2013/07/02/health/mad-cow-disease-fast...

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#410
post #406

These burgers are not a suitable nutritional replacement for beef. Beef contains cholesterol, zero carbs, and has a different vitamin/mineral profile. This stuff has no cholesterol and (a small amount of) carbs while also containing way more salt, thiamine (vitamin B1), and folate (vitamin B9): https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/6205/2 http://livablefutureblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/impo... FY…

That is interesting but I don't think that it would be healthy for people to eat beef burgers as their primary source of nutrition either. What annoys me about the fake meat is that in the dystopian future soymeat was supposed to be everywhere and cheaper where real meat was a sought after expensive delicacy but due to government subsidies and hding the costs of environmental externalities real meat remains much cheaper than the fake meats in general. Just saying.
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