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What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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Re: What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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I'm unemployable just because of this. I cannot "work" in the morning or when my employer thinks I have to.

Do you get enough sleep to even judge whether you're able to wake up in the AM?

Even if I wake up before sunrise - I do that sometimes for extended periods of time (few weeks/months) - I just cannot work in the morning

Re: What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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I'm confident you could work in the morning if you readjusted your sleeping habits. And there are a ton of jobs out there that start later in the day or have flexible work hours.

> I'm confident you could work in the morning if you readjusted your sleeping habits. This subthread is about the possible/probable genetic reasons why some people have more trouble adjusting their sleeping habits to that of everyone else. Saying that he just needs to adjust his sleeping habits is not really helpful.

I would doubt genetic reasons until he tries without all the modern light/darkness. It’s insane how quickly my sleep schedule changes when I sleep in a tent and the sun is unavoidable at literally sunrise... I match the sun schedule pretty quickly, and then get out of it really quickly (1-3 days).

Re: What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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Am I the only one who can't read this because it's behind a paywall?

If you go to https://www.drudgereport.com/ then right click one of the hyperlinks and select Inspect you can change the URL in the HTML to the URL for this article. When you click the link you will be able to read the full article as WSJ whitelists drudge report.

Re: What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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Is it just me or is this article also paywalled for you when you click web => WSJ article? If so, is there another way to read it other than paying for a subscription? I don't read the WSJ often enough to justify subscribing.

If you go to https://www.drudgereport.com/ then right click one of the hyperlinks and select Inspect you can change the URL in the HTML to the URL for this article. When you click the link you will be able to read the full article as WSJ whitelists drudge report.

Re: What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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I was a night owl from the time I was 16 until 33(sleep 2-3-4AM until 10AM-11AM-12PM), and then I adjusted my sleep cycle to be an early riser(sleep 11-6). It took about 4 days before I felt physically right. The hardest part was lifestyle adjustments around the differing hours. I don't believe I have any kind of special power. OP sounds depressed with a self-defeatist mindset. He considers himself unemployable becau…

Without clocks I will naturally go to bed between 5a and 7a and wake between 1 and 3p. I've had a "normal" schedule for most of my life, and have gone long stretches (months) where I was in bed every night by 10p. It doesn't stick. Without alarms and diligence, I will always revert to my natural schedule within days.

Sure, that's fine. It doesn't need to stick, because clocks will continue to be available. I'd rather be employable and have to use a clock to wake up, than unemployable but in a 'natural' state(to use the false dichotomy presented by OP)

Also, I'm curious what your natural bedtime would be if you not only removed clocks, but also removed TVs, screens and other artificial lighting. It seems unfair to say you would do something 'naturally' without clocks, but not without all the other technology that is actually causing you to stay awake at non-natural hours in the first place.

Re: What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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I do this, but seasonality can be an issue. The last few winters I've added some artificial lighting that ramps up before sunrise, with seemingly positive results.

Curious how you implemented this. I bought a Phillips “sunrise alarm clock” about a year ago, but the light was weak and I didn’t feel a difference at all. Did you hack together something yourself?

Try looking up Yeelight, they're made by Xiaomi and are basically what I wish Hue was.

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I can't read TFA, but wanted to note that there's an interesting statistic in the book Why We Sleep : Something like 30% of the population are hard-wired to be "night owls" and 20% early risers. The author hypothesized that this may be an evolutionary survival mechanism that allowed bands of humans to always have people who were awake or more likely to wake quickly if threatened after dark or in the early morning. Fo…

I'm unemployable just because of this. I cannot "work" in the morning or when my employer thinks I have to.

There are lots of interesting jobs that don't have 9-5 hour requirements, or any time based requirements for that matter.

Re: What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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> I'm confident you could work in the morning if you readjusted your sleeping habits. This subthread is about the possible/probable genetic reasons why some people have more trouble adjusting their sleeping habits to that of everyone else. Saying that he just needs to adjust his sleeping habits is not really helpful.

I was a night owl from the time I was 16 until 33(sleep 2-3-4AM until 10AM-11AM-12PM), and then I adjusted my sleep cycle to be an early riser(sleep 11-6). It took about 4 days before I felt physically right. The hardest part was lifestyle adjustments around the differing hours. I don't believe I have any kind of special power. OP sounds depressed with a self-defeatist mindset. He considers himself unemployable becau…

I was fired from last job just because I couldnt stick with morning schedule and basically "had my own". I was supposed to be at work by 10am (LOL, we had standups at 10:45), and I just couldnt do it. Sometimes I came to work at 9, sometimes at 11:30, until they were fed up with this. I felt physical discomfort from this - vomited twice in the morning (I suppose it was from stress) and developed tick in the left eye after just 3 weeks into office.

I'm unemployed now (last 14 months), and I've given up so that I don't even look for job anymore since I don't think we'd be compatible. Saves my time and employers money.

Yes I'm slow-starter - it takes me from 1.5hr to 2.5hrs in the morning to start my day. Now I usually wake up at 7:30-8:30 because I'm happy owner of six parrots and they need maintenance and to make a lot of noise :)

All this combines with my inability to stick to just one single thing to do. I have to change stuff I do very often, which leaves many of my projects unfinished. From this reason I usually find myself very unhappy working on some project for longer periods, especially if those projects are too complex to even start contributing - because of this I then usually used to start working on something different in my "free time" (in member of local hackerspace) and my productivity (if there was any) goes away. This allowed me to acquire quite a lot of different skills and knowledge but left me uneployable.

Or maybe I just haven't come across a job that really suits me and be appreciable, yet

Re: What’s the rush? The power of a slow morning

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For anyone interested in changing their sleep habits and becoming a regular early riser, I found this guy's blog to be quite helpful: https://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/05/how-to-become-an-e...

This is more or less devoid of any useful information... When my alarm goes off every morning, I turn it off, stretch for a couple seconds, and sit up Is what everyone already knows. The article implies that you somehow just do this and conveniently ignores how useless that advice is for breaking or replacing habits. Especially ones where you’re not going to be alert enough to even remember that you’re supposed to be…

This other one was much more useful. I tried this a few years ago and it seemed to work, but it was also really easy to fall back into old habits. Still though, might be worth a try.

> This is going to sound really stupid, but it works. Practice getting up as soon as your alarm goes off. That’s right — practice. But don’t do it in the morning. Do it during the day when you’re wide awake.

https://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/04/how-to-get-up-righ... (actual strategy starts about half way down)

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