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A Guide for Adults Going to College

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I don't understand why anyone would consider going back to college when there's very legitimate online course options that cost a fraction. Look through edx.org and see for yourself. Remember there's no guarantee that going back to school will net you the job you want but it's a guarantee that you will go into crippling debt that will follow you for the rest of your life. Unless of course your company is paying for y…

Where are the lab classes in edx?

Where are the vocational courses in edx?

Where are the teaching assistants and the study groups?

Where are the 12+ course bachelors-degree curricula?

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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I'm a returning student about to complete my degree at the end of this year. I went to an art school for a few years out of high school and ended up in customer service positions with some great companies. I didn't want to continue in customer service, so I decided to go back to school. Started with two years at community college, and now finishing up my last two at university. Some insights I picked up along the way…

Thank you!!!

I spent way too long getting a useless degree in physics at Cal Poly SLO. They wouldn't let you switch majors (because every 17 year old knows what they want to do with their life) but it turns out changing schools is tough when your grades show you've hated your major the last 2 years.

The best thing I EVER did was sign up for classes at Santa Monica College after getting my Bachelor's. They're fantastic - this was a while back, but offering everything from Assembly to Android Dev and having great profs who actually listened to you was fantastic. I can't praise that school highly enough.

Funny enough, my wife and I both took German from _the same professor at the same time_. But I did it at SMC at night for basically free (I think $140 or so), and she paid a couple grand for the privilege at UCLA.

Community Colleges also don't destroy young lives with crushing debt that can never be discharged. We should be encouraging them and end with the cargo cult that is "everyone should go to a 4 year university"

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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> It will happen if you vote blue. Unfortunately it is a matter of voting blue enough, not just blue. In some areas politicians, even Democrats, regularly relate to their constituents by bashing "East cost liberal elites" despite having degrees from Ivy League schools. If Doug Jones had said that a liberal arts education is valuable for developing into a well-rounded citizen his race would have ended then and there.

I have a college degree. I hope for my kids to take the path of earning college degrees. I think that college is great in the abstract. I also think that until we sort out our health care system in this country (USA), a career in the trades is a very frightening prospect. Even so, this comment is very interesting to me. I frequently see on Hacker News the sentiment that modern higher education is a bubble. That if we…

I do not have a college degree. I was not speaking about politicians promising to subsidize higher education but I can speak to that anyway. I said that in many parts of the country, even in areas where voters are willing to cast a blue vote, education is viewed as a tool used by the wealthy elite to disqualify the viewpoint of the commoner.

George W. Bush famously spoke of following his "gut" when asked about his decision process concerning foreign policy. In doing so science, research and general means of informed decision-making were dismissed as a way for an elitist to tell laborers that they're too stupid to understand his thought process. The hypocrisy is that he himself went to Yale and Harvard and clearly values higher education; he joined the same secret society at Yale to which his father and grand-father had belonged. This trend has continued to the point that lowly insults are preferred by most voters over policy discussion. This is true of both parties. (e.g. "Pocahontas", "motherfucker")

The reality is that education in and of itself is a societal equalizer. A liberal arts education was developed in the ancient world to equip people with the skills that they needed to live freely as members of a society: logical reasoning, self-expression and the ability to record your thoughts and interpret the thoughts of others. We now speak of education in terms of time commitment and expected pay-off, the massive debt considered an unavoidable nuisance. It is often after a child has selected a college or university that they consider how they will pay (or accrue debt) for it. The elites know that education is a equalizer and that is why they try so hard to frame it as a tool for the enemy of the common people. The last thing that the elites would want is commoners getting wise. When common people do see the value of education they are buried in debt to stifle their upward mobility.

To answer your question, non-college graduates should support the subsidization of higher education because nothing could do more to serve them and their interests. For the time being tough, pursuing an education may mean separating the concept of education from what we have learned to think of as an educational institution. I don't have a college degree and I don't want one (i.e. I don't want to earn one at this time) but I am convinced by the reasoning behind supporting education that has been repeated for thousands of years. In my opinion it is tantamount to supporting the advancement of human civilization and right now we desperately need a renaissance.

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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more to the point: it's an unsecured (ie, there's no collateral to take in the event of default) loan with a very low interest rate issued to a group of people who have little to no credit history.

The debt I've seen my peers saddled with has typically been 6-10%, issued mostly in the recession/post-recession years of low interest rates. It seems like exceedingly high interest to me when mortgages and car loans are half as much.

mortgages and auto loans are secured with assets. the lender can take back the car or house if you default, greatly limiting the risk of lending.

a better comparison for an unsecured loan would be a credit card. please let me know if you find a credit card with anything near a 10% interest rate. afaik, the best rates are around 14% and only go to people with very good credit.

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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You might be surprised at what admissions might think. Stuff happens and people (including admissions) know that. In your application you are even given the chance to explain that sort of thing (it makes for a more interesting story if you ask me!) My advice would be to also reach out to the department admin and or department chair of the department you are interested in (CS at USC?) with a brief email. Even try to a…

Thanks for your advice. I'm not stranger to that kind of course of action since people are more understanding when you get a chance to speak to them candidly/truthfully. That said, can speaking to the dept. heads help my admission (do depts approve applications themselves?) Either way it'd give me an excuse to go check out the facilities so I may just do that. I wish I could afford USC but I've used up most of my gra…

I'd also say don't restrict yourself just to schools in Socal. There are lots of great schools doing fully online Undergrad degrees (Penn State, Arizona State and Florida come to mind).

https://www.usnews.com/education/online-education/bachelors/...

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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post #63

I'm a returning student about to complete my degree at the end of this year. I went to an art school for a few years out of high school and ended up in customer service positions with some great companies. I didn't want to continue in customer service, so I decided to go back to school. Started with two years at community college, and now finishing up my last two at university. Some insights I picked up along the way…

* there should be 4 semesters a year, not 2, people should graduate in 2 years, not 4+

The word "semester" literally means "six month" so you can only have two. What you might want is to have more work during these two period.

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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Those 100+ person classes are the biggest wastes of time though. You can self-organize around a book in a Facebook group and watch any top ivy league professor lecture through it. The only reason to pay for college, the only value they have, is in the experience of the professors and what they can offer you one on one. Everything else is replicated outside the walls with far less effort than the cost of university.

>Everything else is replicated outside the walls with far less effort than the cost of university. Except for actually holding the degree. And yes, the 100+ person classes are the introductory classes offered in first and second year before things get whittled down to something more personal. However, they really set the tone for those first couple of years, saying "You're not in high school anymore".

Thats a very expensive wakeup call if they cost an average of $4-8k a piece (8-12 classes a year for $40-$60k per).

I'm sure the kids really appreciate the experience four years down the line when they can look back at sophomores in a real job and think "gosh, wasn't it great my first two years of college cost me 3-4 years of my post-graduate income and gave me the wonderful value for all that money of 'waking me up' to how hard college will be when I actually start getting value from it!"

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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What are the chances of attending Harvard / Stanford later in life? I have a life goal of going there but the older I get (24 now), the less I believe it can form into a reality.

Undergraduate or graduate? I began my Stanford PhD as a 27 year old, after spending a number of years in the workforce. It's not at all unusual for grad students to be in their mid to late twenties.

Particularly at Stanford with SCPD, it can be something of a backdoor to a Stanford Engineering Graduate degree.

http://scpd.stanford.edu/search/publicCourseCertificateSearc...

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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Can you explain why that is to me? I would think that if the expected return on college loans drops significantly, fewer large loans would be given out that can be passed on to universities which would see less demand for their product and would need to lower their prices accordingly.

The universities aren't on the hook for student loan defaults so they don't care about the expected return for the borrower or the lender. If students borrowed from the schools directly, then the admissions process along with university spending patterns would be vastly different. The only thing we have that is remotely close to this is schools giving out scholarships to students who have great potential to be high e…

A startup called Lambda started teaching (online) for free in exchange for a percentage of the new graduate's salary. This is called Income Sharing Agreements (ISA).

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/business/dealbook/educati...

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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post #58

What are the chances of attending Harvard / Stanford later in life? I have a life goal of going there but the older I get (24 now), the less I believe it can form into a reality.

Attending Harvard is actually quite easy. They offer classes, both online and onsite, for anyone who is willing to pay tuition. These classes are offered under a program called "Harvard Extension School", and they are the same exact classes that students who got accepted the "normal" way, take. It even gets you a degree. If what you care about is the education and resources offered by Harvard, they are available for…

I'm doing the Harvard Extension program right now and am currently on campus taking a course (you cannot go 100% online and get a degree).

My last class, in the fall, was a course that was offered online for the first time ever. We had a bunch of Harvard College students in-person and a bunch of Harvard Extension students online watching the lectures live (they are also recorded). Office hours with TAs were live-streamed and interactive between in-person and online students, we had the same homework and exams, etc. The professor even gave out his cell phone number so we could text questions directly to him.

The professor asked us all about our interest in a particular class that they had been asked about offering online. As it turns out, Harvard is fairly open about offering almost any of their courses online if you can show that demand warrants it, the professor supports it, and that you can get the TA slots filled.

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