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Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by mey »

zornado wrote: post #143
nindalf wrote: post #3

Congrats to that team for building a great product. I hope they see a lot of success. Long term, I hope plant based meat alternatives become commoditized. If there are a bunch of alternatives that taste just as good and importantly are cheaper than meat , most people will switch. That's a huge win for the environment (and also animal rights), and I can't wait to see it happen.

I am not getting this. Highly processed foods are the source of all problems and people cheer up for synthetic food!

This sounds like clean food concepts. There isn't science behind clean/unclean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/aug/11/why-we-...

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by puranjay »

mrspeaker wrote: post #171
puranjay wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love meat but I've always struggled to reconcile my love of eating it with my love of animals. I would be happy to pay a premium if it meant I could get meat-like taste without the guilt

I'm more excited about where they go after they get passed the "uncanny valley of meat". If they can nail it, they'll get bored and move on to new and weirder flavors and textures. Hook it up to Watson and you don't just get new recipes, but they're combined with new meat! ( https://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/ar... )

I wonder if they can somehow replicate the flavor in bones. I'd love to make stock or a stew, but so much of the "meaty" flavor comes from bones

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

be-ez wrote: post #128
chris11 wrote: post #112

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I did see an impossible meatloaf in a grocery store, and it looks like their website is showing ground beef. So it looks like they are slowly branching out into other products.

Impossible is not currently available directly to consumers. They do not make a meatloaf - it is possible the grocery store bought the raw product and is selling their own meatloaf.

> it is possible the grocery store bought the raw product and is selling their own meatloaf.

Possible but seems pretty unlikely. Also, I don't think they'd be allowed to use Impossible's trademark in that case.

I feel like the GP must be misremembering.

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Post by pstuart »

wvlia5- wrote: post #172
wvlia5- wrote: post #157

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Please, describe to me this 'humane killing' process, what does it look like?

So, shooting someone in the head is 'humane' then? Then, what does 'humane' even mean?

I believe you meant to reply to me. It implies a very quick exit, which is more humane that a lingering painful one.

I think some chicken processors will use controlled-atmosphere stunning — or “gas stunning” — which desensitizes the chickens to pain before slaughtering. (that last bit was copy/paste from another source).

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

w0utert wrote: post #163
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #68

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This. I want my tacos and burgers to taste like tacos and burgers. I don't care whether it's "real" beef or not. If someone's selling 80/20 that's blended with some plant product (or even just 100% plant product) and it's substantially cheaper than 80/20 and tastes about the same then that's what I'm gonna buy. So far no option like that exists on the shelf. All the fake meat options cater to the people who shop at w…

Most of the meat you get from the ‘easy’ places like supermarkets tastes terrible anyway, compared to quality meat from a specialist store. I’ve long ago stopped eating chicken almost completely because of this, in the end you just taste whatever you serve with the chicken, and you get a certain bite from it that is easily imitated using ‘fake meat’. I’m pretty sure I will never be a strict vegetarian, but I honestly…

> I cannot understand how so many people disagree, especially those who claim to love meat.

Well for starters, a lot of them probably can't afford higher quality meat. Quality over quantity doesn't work if the quantity goes down too far.

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Post by belltaco »

zornado wrote: post #143
nindalf wrote: post #3

Congrats to that team for building a great product. I hope they see a lot of success. Long term, I hope plant based meat alternatives become commoditized. If there are a bunch of alternatives that taste just as good and importantly are cheaper than meat , most people will switch. That's a huge win for the environment (and also animal rights), and I can't wait to see it happen.

I am not getting this. Highly processed foods are the source of all problems and people cheer up for synthetic food!

Because it's better for the environment and health compared to what it's replacing(95% less land and 74% less water, plusmore humane). If people eating whole plant foods start eating this, it's not good, but if meat eaters do it's a win. And it's much more likely that way more meat eaters will use this as replacement.

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Post by firethief »

tptacek wrote: post #40
alangpierce wrote: post #27

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Plant-based foods are almost always significantly more efficient to produce than meat since you no longer need to grow all of the food to feed an animal for its entire life. From another article ( https://www.cnet.com/news/impossible-burger-2-0-tastes-like-... ): > But Impossible Foods can produce a burger using a fourth of the water and less than 4 percent of the land -- and emit one-tenth of the greenhouse gases --…

It's easy to win the argument that plant-based foods are more efficient to mass-produce than CAFO meat, but you might need to be careful generalizing; pigs and chickens fed forage and scrap are supposedly pretty efficient as well. (I have no idea if there's an efficient way to scale beef).

Efficiency and scalability are not the same thing. Does forage not have high land requirement? If there were a massive demand for scrap, would it be met by something other than scrap farming?

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Post by cr0sh »

yorwba wrote: post #57
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #24

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You go ahead and spend your money on that stuff. But in a free market, soy-based protein is going to be a hard sell.

According to TFA, the Impossible Burger 2.0 has reached parity with meat-based burgers. It seems unlikely that they'll just stop innovating, so they might eventually produce a soy-based burger that tastes better than meat at the same price. If that happens, it's game over for meat.

It'll still be a burger - or ground burger product.

What if I want a well-marbled aged beef ribeye?

Or if I want to smoke a pork shoulder or brisket?

Those kinds of products are going to take some time before they become manufactured from plant-based sources (or before they are "grown" - indeed, the first versions of that nature are likely to be too lean, which will be a real problem, especially for taste and texture).

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

phkahler wrote: post #132

Why do some vegans and vegetarians want to eat something that looks like meat? This is not to say vegans and vegetarians are the only market for plant-based "meat" or "burgers".

> Why do some vegans and vegetarians want to eat something that looks like meat?

Why wouldn't they? Most humans are hardwired to enjoy meat, whether or not they choose to indulge. Vegetarianism/veganism as an ethical stance is about humane treatment of animals. Enjoying the taste and texture of meat is completely orthogonal.

I've spoken to several people who think that veganism is just about personal taste, including a couple of actual vegans, and I don't understand where this idea comes from.

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Post by gadders »

puranjay wrote: post #146
nindalf wrote: post #3

Congrats to that team for building a great product. I hope they see a lot of success. Long term, I hope plant based meat alternatives become commoditized. If there are a bunch of alternatives that taste just as good and importantly are cheaper than meat , most people will switch. That's a huge win for the environment (and also animal rights), and I can't wait to see it happen.

I love meat but I've always struggled to reconcile my love of eating it with my love of animals. I would be happy to pay a premium if it meant I could get meat-like taste without the guilt

I'm not sure if I'd eat this burger, but if lab-grown meat was available and as good as the natural alternative, I think I would definitely switch.

Sadly if everyone did this it would probably mean we would only see cows, sheep etc in zoos, rather than grazing in fields.

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