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WeWork Gets a Visit from Financial Reality

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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-08/wework... "In addition to the corporate finance weirdness: “Going forward, the company will no longer be called WeWork but rather The We Company.” (“The switch is not a legal name change,” okay.) And: “Rather than just renting desks, the company aims to encompass all aspects of people’s lives, in both physical and digital worlds,” which is—and I have spent years w…

WeWork is a cult. I find the way that they attempt to control their employee’s lives deeply alarming.

Don’t want to take my word for it? Go read some reviews on Glassdoor.

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In New York, it's around $60k a year if you get an office for 7-10 people. https://www.wework.com/buildings/154-grand-st--new-york-city...

That doesn't sound too bad if your employee payroll is going to be >= $1M/yr. To put it another way, I'd rather have a dedicated space for 10 employees than have 10.5 or 11 employees all working from their bedrooms and starbucks.

You gotta compare it to the cost of a traditional commercial real estate lease, that’s what makes it a good or bad deal.

(I don’t actually know what a comparative traditional lease would cost).

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WeDie with free beer/kombucha/whatever sounds pretty amazing tbh. Funeral home industry could benefit from some disruption.

> We're disrupting funeral homes. Man, that sounds...horrible.

I know what you mean - but you also hear some horror stories about funeral directors. They're an industry that gets to take advantage of uninformed consumers at a vulnerable time of their life.

I'm not sure We, or any other company even remotely connected to Silicon Valley, are the right people to fix that, though.

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> We're disrupting funeral homes. Man, that sounds...horrible.

Does it really? I can imagine there's room for innovation in helping people to honor and grieve the passing of their loved ones.

The innovation would be to not demand obscene prices from the loved ones at their time of grieving.

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I agree that Tesla is probably just a car company but no american cab company operates in 72 countries outside of america though.

I tend to agree that Uber and Lyft are qualitatively different from traditional cab companies although, as many others have said, I'm not sure they have much of a moat or economies of scale. For the overwhelming majority of Uber users, it's irrelevant that they're in 72 countries or even multiple countries. In fact, I'm sure many users would switch to a better service that just operated in their own city.

Outside of US the Uber brand is not so strong. In EU they are very regulated and they compete with local players that understand the market. Asia is also dominated by local players. So Uber exists in these markets, but almost nobody uses it there.

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I don't agree with the "rubbish part". WeWork single handedly changed the way we work. It is way easier to build a tech startup with the help of a co-working space company than before. I suspect that WeWork's business model ain't the problem but it's competitors, for example in London, UK. Competition drives prices for new real estate, crashed margins.

> WeWork single handedly changed the way we work. Why? Coworking is not a new concept. There are plenty of local coworking spaces in every city that has WeWork. How are they better than their local competitors?

Not the OP, but I can shed some of my thoughts as I've been at WeWork, local co-working spaces, and leased our own office space.

Most co-working spaces are cheaper, but they won't offer as many amenities as WeWork. 24-hour building access, conference rooms (for clients and internal meetings), phone booths, free coffee, a kitchen to utilize for lunch, highspeed internet (1,000Mbps if you use the ethernet jack) and roughly around 200Mbps on their free Wifi, free printing up to a certain volume every month. Did I forget the best perk? With your WeWork membership you can actually access any other WeWork location in the world and work out of there.

There were a number of times when I was traveling, I would just book a desk at another city or country for a single conference room credit.

Just a few positives off the top of my head compared to other coworking spaces. While you can find some with the same benefits, WeWork also wins with their decor and natural lighting in some offices. They also make it easy for startups to expand if they need more desk space. You rent on a monthly basis, whereas most places do yearly contracts.

Now let's talk about leasing your own space and all the headache that goes with it. At least in NYC, most places don't have a kitchen. So if you want a place to make coffee and wash your hands that's not the bathroom, you'll need to pay someone to have it installed.

You'll also need to set up the internet and electricity. And since you're on a lease, there's a good chance the landlord will raise the prices sky high the moment the contract is up. You'll actually end up paying relatively close to WeWork's price per month with a lot more things to manage on your own.

Think of it as self-hosting versus managed hosting. Small scale startups don't want to deal with all the headache so they just opt for WeWork. It's a reputable brand and they know what they are getting at any WeWork. It's similar to walking into a Hilton or Marriot. You know what to expect from it.

Hope that helps!

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5X is worse case, it's 15X in dollar terms, but an equivalent investment in Dow would be almost 3X so thus the discount. It's also worse case because it assumes you buy at the $107 peak. It didn't spend much time above $100...

Buying Amazon in the 90s is analogous to buying Berkshire in the 70s. It would have taken a prescient and outsized allocation decision which, ex ante , would have been difficult to justify.

A very large number of people were buying Amazon and the other internet stocks in the 90s. If not, there wouldn't have been a bubble. The part requiring the magic genie would be not selling it for the next 20 years... :)

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You're right on Tesla and WeWork, but not on Uber. Uber doesn't buy and own the car, which means it requires much less capital. This small change has many implications, and the tech helps solves many of the problems that come up. I am not saying it is properly valued (over or under or whatever). Just that given the choice between an Uber (or Lyft or yourlocalapp.com) or a cab company with the same fleet, customers, a…

> which means it requires much less capital They burned through billions of dollars of capital. That's quite a lot for a business that requires very little capital. What would they burn if they needed lots of capital? Trillions of dollars?

I mean half a million drivers each with a car that say costs $20k over its lifetime is about 10 billion. So like maybe?

Re: WeWork Gets a Visit from Financial Reality

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post #93

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-08/wework... "In addition to the corporate finance weirdness: “Going forward, the company will no longer be called WeWork but rather The We Company.” (“The switch is not a legal name change,” okay.) And: “Rather than just renting desks, the company aims to encompass all aspects of people’s lives, in both physical and digital worlds,” which is—and I have spent years w…

I heard they're changing their name to WorryFree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorry_to_Bother_You

Re: WeWork Gets a Visit from Financial Reality

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post #93

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-08/wework... "In addition to the corporate finance weirdness: “Going forward, the company will no longer be called WeWork but rather The We Company.” (“The switch is not a legal name change,” okay.) And: “Rather than just renting desks, the company aims to encompass all aspects of people’s lives, in both physical and digital worlds,” which is—and I have spent years w…

Wait but what about WeChat?
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