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Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by Vinnl »

danharaj wrote: post #85
Vinnl wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of vegan food are you thinking of? I mean, things like nuts, beans, etc. already exist. What requirements should "new" food fulfil? Providing the right nutrients?

Think of the difference between Indian vegetarian food vs. tofurkey, imitation bacon, etc. There are vegetarian cultures that have refined their cuisine over thousands of years to be nutritionally adequate and delicious. Western vegan food tends to just be imitations of non-vegan Western food and it's unfortunate.

Sure, but Indian vegetarian food already exists. The GP asked for more vegan food, so I wondered what was lacking in existing non-fake-meat alternatives.

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Post by Vinnl »

mcbits wrote: post #83
Vinnl wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, but I take it these snacks should be different from, say, olives, or biscuits with avocado, or something like that? And if so, in what way? (And of course, in the non-healthy category, there are things like crisps or popcorn for when you're actually gluttonous.)

Different in such a way that people who pride themselves on binging on junk food because they're all grown up and you can't tell them what to do will be tricked into eating healthy anyway.

Ah, right. I'd like to see that happen regardless of whether it's vegan or not - though I agree that the vegan market is probably in a good position to take the lead there.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by nate_meurer »

stochastic_monk wrote: post #18
giarc wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"but trying to replace everything with vegetable stuff is not going to work in the long run." But we have to eat... what do you recommend we replace our protein intake with?

I suggest other plant protein sources, like soy or pea. Wheat, in particular, has a terrible amino acid profile for humans [0]. Aside from making it so that anyone with coeliac can't consume their burgers, it's just not as effective for humans as animal protein. Pea and soy, however, are nearly as effective and much better for the earth/environment. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3887888

The incomplete protein thing is a myth [1]. The amino acid profile of single ingredients is almost never a concern in practice, because meals nearly always contain complimentary proteins. It's actually really difficult to avoid complimentary proteins if you have anything like normal dietary habits. Furthermore, it's not even necessary for every meal to provide all essential amino acids, as long as your diet isn't chronically deficient in any of them over time.

Wheat protein is easy to complete. This is acknowledged at the link you gave:

> when combined with other food proteins such as legumes, oil seeds or animal products the proteins of wheat exhibit excellent nutritional complementarity.

Lysine is the limiting amino acid in wheat protein. Lysine is easy to find in other places, and wheat protein can be made fully complete using half as much pea protein, for example. A single 20 g portion of wheat protein similar in size to one impossible burger contains over a quarter of the RDA of lysine [2]. Nearly any other protein you consume in a day will easily provide the rest, even with sensible vegan diets.

1 - https://www.forksoverknives.com/the-myth-of-complementary-pr...

2 - https://www.nutritionvalue.org/Wheat_flour%2C_whole-grain_nu...

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by atonse »

screye wrote: post #46
danharaj wrote: post #6

That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

Being born in India, I've had the privilege to eat vegetarian meals that can rival even the best meat based meal. While I welcome 'impossible' meat replacements, it is funny that the meat reduction movement is looking at such impractical and immature products instead of simpler solutions such as bringing veg friendly cuisines to the fore. I am opposed to advocating for cold-turkey veganism though. Milk products and e…

Being of Indian descent, I might be biased. But Indian cuisine is the only cuisine I'm aware of where being vegetarian isn't a compromise in the creativity, quality, and sheer flavors available to you.

For other cuisines, where centuries of culinary creativity mostly went towards making meat, this is the only viable approach to weaning us off growing animals for meaty foods.

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Post by danso »

screye wrote: post #46
danharaj wrote: post #6

That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

Being born in India, I've had the privilege to eat vegetarian meals that can rival even the best meat based meal. While I welcome 'impossible' meat replacements, it is funny that the meat reduction movement is looking at such impractical and immature products instead of simpler solutions such as bringing veg friendly cuisines to the fore. I am opposed to advocating for cold-turkey veganism though. Milk products and e…

It’s astounding to me that you mock efforts to replicate meat when the “simpler solutions” is to just tell people to eat veg cuisines and this give up the meat-based cuisines they’ve lived with. And then in the next sentence, you oppose veganism because it’s apparently wrong to give up cuisines you’ve lived with.

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Post by mikestew »

SupaFlyak wrote: post #12

Do vegan/vegetarians really want something that reminds them of meat products? Why not just make a good meat-free sandwich that doesn't imitate another product?

Do vegan/vegetarians really want something that reminds them of meat products?

Eh? I'm MidWest American, I was raised eating meat. It grew in our backyard. I know what bacon tastes like, I know what a burger tastes like: it tastes good. But for a whole list of reasons, I don't eat meat anymore. I would very much like to be reminded of a fat, juicy patty of ground animal muscle.

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Post by moate »

colordrops wrote: post #37
danharaj wrote: post #6

That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

> I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Isn't that most vegan food already? I.e. vegetables

There are so many hyper-processed vegan items available marketed as "Milks", "Cheeses","Burgers" and "Sausages" etc. It's a huge business.

As someone mentioned above, food is a part of your culture. And there are many aspects of people's food cultures that they'd prefer not to get rid of. Someone may hate animals dying, but love the social gathering of a back yard party with burgers on the grill. These people may want to replicate this experience with a bean burger. Someone else has fond memories of their grandma's spaghetti and meatballs, and needs to figure out some way to replicate it.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by agitator »

antidaily wrote: post #7

Had one of these recently. I was shocked. The texture isn't 100% but very, very close and the taste was amazing. It was much flatter than photo; looked and tasted like Shake Shack.

IMO the texture of the 2.0 Impossible burger is spot on. And the flavors are improved too. I would say its a huge improvement. Plus this one is grill-able. It honestly hits all of the targets for what I want in a burger. Super impressed.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by sand500 »

Vinnl wrote: post #11

I'm really curious about the "fake meat" products that exist in other countries. In the Netherlands, there's been enormous growth both in the number of vegetarians and in the number of "fake meat" products that have become widely available, and the quality of the latter has improved dramatically. Before, these products were mostly useful for the non-vegetarians wanting to prepare a meal for vegetarians without having…

A lot of hawker centers in Singapore have vegetarian stall which makes meat dishes with "mock meat" products, usually some sort of soy based thing.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Post by ufo »

DDebbieDDowner wrote: post #79
sithadmin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per the article: >It has as much bioavailable iron and protein as the same size serving of ground beef, with 14 grams of fat and 240 calories per quarter-pound patty. Also, per Impossible's site, changes to nutrition for the new recipe are: >The new Impossible Burger features 30% less sodium and 40% less saturated fat than the current recipe and just as much protein as 80/20 ground beef from cows The original recipe…

>It has as much bioavailable iron and protein as the same size serving of ground beef Which ofc it's nothing but marketing nonsense considering that the most bioavailable form of iron Heme-iron is found only in meats.

Impossible burger's recipe features large amounts of soy leghemoglobin, sourced from transgenic yeast.
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