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Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

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Congratulations on driving a company into the ground! Have a golden parachute! https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sears-bankruptcy-court-oks-25-m...

I'll never, ever be able to comprehend this. It sickens me to the core.

So the whole mechanism to these bonuses is for the banks/investors to keep the executives around long enough to not lose the institutional knowledge and to keep the company heading in a general direction during the bankruptcy chartering.

Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

#142
post #82

Sears died because of Lampert, that's the beginning and end of the story. While they were far from perfect, post-Kmart "acquisition" both the service and stores became garbage and he used Sears as a personal slush fund.

This should be the top comment. Lampert's mismanagement has been thoroughly described, e.g. the Slate Money podcast from 20th October gives an overview.

Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

#143

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I get the tone of your post But have you considered that prosperity preaching is the bigger issue here? The idea that “success” = wealth or that they are correlated in any circumstance aside from coincidence, and that other combinations are part of a therefore broken system The reason I bring it up is because its a set of rules exclusive to lower socioeconomic groups, as opposed to a more effective set of rules

Well, for the most part prosperity comes from work. After 40 hours a week of work, each extra 10% of time worked leads to something like 40% extra income. Those that do reach into upper management positions with larger corporations tend to have spent 15 years of 60-hour work weeks. I'm not saying that this is always the case, or that those are even the best priorities to have. But effort, success and wealth are defin…

Prosperity often comes from family/connections, and hard work definitely doesn’t guarantee prosperity.

Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

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Not disputing the CEO is a force of destruction, but ought not some businesses close? What’s the place of Sears in the modern age?

dig into the back story; aside from the public challenges of a traditional brick&mortar retailer, Lampert actively accelerated it's downfall to enormous personal gain. He literally destroyed the business (let the retail stores fall into disrepair) while he sold off it's most valuable assets like the brands and milked it for cash as a major creditor. He is a modern day robber-baron with none of the mystique or cachet…

This sounds awfully similar to the demise of some retailers in Europe. E.g. Dutch chain V&D recently went out business in the Netherlands after many attempts to reboot. Several chains in Germany have also been declining for some years. There are not a lot of retail chains left that are doing great.

This stuff always seems to involve hedge funds sucking struggling companies dry until there's nothing left.

It's one of those things that's legal but maybe should be bit less easy to get away with. Deliberately destroying a company for short term gains for investors, sounds a bit fraudulent/dodgy to me at least.

Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

#145
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They are. You need to have a good amount of extra money to afford the membership and the cost of buying 6 months of toilet paper in advance. Those are cheap items that you will need, if you are not poor you probably don't even think about it. However when you are poor it doesn't matter if it is cheaper or not to buy in bulk because you don't have the cash to afford it. (you also are unlikely to have the storage space…

Upper class? It's true that those living in poverty often don't have the means to buy in bulk or pay a Costco membership, but I don't think the designation of "upscale" describes the store either. Many working class and middle class people shop there.

Upper class is a bad descriptor, and many working class people do shop there, but I think Costco does have a bit of an upscale connotation. A different one than whole foods or a natural food co-op, but I think it still has one. It's not the "normal" grocer.

Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

#146
post #87

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Upper class? It's true that those living in poverty often don't have the means to buy in bulk or pay a Costco membership, but I don't think the designation of "upscale" describes the store either. Many working class and middle class people shop there.

The poorest people in the US are still upper class. Except for a few homeless who refuse all support services perhaps.

This basically renders your point meaningless, since now literally all businesses in the US are servicing the upper class.

There's relative poverty in the US still. Currency still has relative purchasing power. Saying a person living below the US poverty line should be put in the same class (upper class) as Jeff Bezos seems disingenuous as best.

Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

#147
post #17

Congratulations on driving a company into the ground! Have a golden parachute! https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sears-bankruptcy-court-oks-25-m...

That's not a golden parachute though. Those are retention bonuses being paid to management so that they don't lose their entire staff before they are able to liquidate remaining assets and close properly.

Going out of business is a process. It is not some sort of overnight ordeal. Especially not for an organization as large as Sears.

Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

#148
post #5

Sears had everything. Global supply chain, check. Top notch distribution operation, check. System and infrastructure to take orders and handling billing, check. Name recognition and established customer base, check. They threw it all away, ending catalog operations in 1993 a year before Amazon.com opened in 1994. They owned part of Prodigy in 1984! Yet somehow thought it was a better move to expand into bigger box re…

Name recognition This can't be understated, and is something a lot of new companies don't understand. If people know your brand and trust your company, they will hand you money. Anecdata: My parents were massive Sears loyalists. When they bought an appliance, my father researched the various GE models, then bought the Kenmore version. When he wanted a video game console, he researched and decided he wanted an Atari 2…

And Sears, like Walmart now, was big enough that they could go to manufacturers and get special versions of products to makeup the "Kenmore" brand. I remember looking at fridges back in the day and the Kenmore version had just minor differences that made it slightly better than the 'same' model from the actual manufacturer.

The difference between Walmart and Sears through is that Walmart pushes manufacturers to build the cheapest possible product so their versions are worse rather than better then the manufacturer's own branded products.

Re: Sears has another chance to avoid closing down

#150

This is sad for such a well-known brand. I have such fond memories of their Wishbook catalog that came out around the holidays every year. I would flip to the toys section and dream. My grandparents even had a years old Wishbook in our toy box at their house that me and my cousins would look at every time we went over there, Christmas or not. But everything dies. It must. It has to in order to clear the way for somet…

I go back a bit earlier, remembering the Christmas catalogs in the 60s and the huge number of pages of toys. I still remember drooling over a James Bond Goldfinger kit with the Aston-Martin with ejection seat and rotating license plates and the laser table intended to cut Bond in half. My parents didn't get it for me, knowing I'd probably be bored with it in a few weeks.

So, it is true we boomers didn't always get everything we wanted.

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