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Re: Announcing unlimited free private repos

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Post by jeremyepling » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 1:20 PM UTC

_wmd wrote: post #426

taspeotis wrote: post #414

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As someone who uses the paid Azure Pipelines agents I can say I really like it generally but their hosted build agent performance is ... adequate ... at best.

I noticed Travis builds complete faster once they're running, by something like 20% in my case, but that's more than offset by having twice as many parallel builds by default. Never dug into why it's slower, though, at a guess something to do with the filesystem

I'd like to learn more about why Azure Pipelines was slower for your build. Feel free to email me. jepling at microsoft dot com.

Re: Announcing unlimited free private repos

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Post by nathanyukai » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 1:29 PM UTC

badsavage wrote: post #659

Many people will choose private then -> less public repositories. Github looses its essence.

I don't think so, If it's a public repository that means the owner have more confidence and willing to collaborate, which is a good thing. Also, free private repository -> more developers -> more repositories

Re: Announcing unlimited free private repos

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Post by irrational » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 1:35 PM UTC

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Yes, Microsoft realized that long ago. Gates and Balmer prolonged the inevitable through monopoly power, but Nadella has accepted the future and is "turning the aircraft carrier." It's amazing that Microsoft came back to life from being a zombie company. In hindsight, it was such a large zombie that it had sufficient time to change business models. Somehow Sears wasn't. There's a business school case study and tenure…

If by 'zombie company' you mean raking in massive amounts of money and growing spectacularly every year? [1] MSFT has changed in some positive ways, but since Satya took over, growth has been actually flat-ish to negative overall until 2018 (a good year). Paradoxically, MSFT stock was flat during the Ballmer years when there was rock solid consistent growth. The 'new MSFT' things is quite overrated in terms of what i…

I honestly thought MS would die. Of course that was my own bias because I had/have not used Windows/Office in 15+ years. But after it became apparent that web/Mobile was the future (and it didn't matter what OS you were on), and MS showed itself to be terrible at Web/Mobile over and over again (IE/Edge, Windows Phone, etc.), and there were good-enough MS Office replacements (in my view); I just didn't see how they would survive. The Googles/Amazons of the world were clearly the future. But I didn't count on MS coming out with Azure. I don't know anyone personally that uses Azure, but I hear it is in second or third place after AWS, which I think is impressive for what I thought was a zombie company.

Re: Announcing unlimited free private repos

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Post by amygdyl » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 1:46 PM UTC

m0zg wrote: post #634

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When I last worked there and ballmer was running things, he thought he was doing great cause he got more money each year from stupid enterprise agreements with stupid companies. But the innovation was really slow and it was all about increasing the value of what they had, windows. The world was moving on without them. Satya nadella made a surprising change for Microsoft. If a company is going to last long term they h…

Look, as an ex-MSFT person I'm only glad to see someone shit on Ballmer. I didn't like the guy myself. But the pillars of today's Microsoft success were all created by him. Azure? Ballmer. Subscription services (and Office 365 in particular)? Ballmer. XBOX? Ballmer. Satya gets _way_ too much credit for what Microsoft is today. I feel that's mostly because he looks better on stage, and that's a very low bar. A raging…

I have joked the only way I can use Microsoft products for work is because I founded my company, and I have no actual ability to force any purchasing despite the fact, and I have long appreciated the way Ballmer is massively involved in the recent success of Microsoft. But it just occurred to me that I have always cited Ballmer's financial commitment and personal investment as being the most overlooked indicator of the value I am certain he's never sought for the short term and this has given me a very amusing idea : surely Ballmer will have been best served by a static stock price in his term of tenure and ability to acquire shares in employee schemes?

Re: Announcing unlimited free private repos

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Post by jeremyepling » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 1:55 PM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #417

_wmd wrote: post #339

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Azure Pipelines free offering is superior to Travis by every imaginable metric - UI latency, build latency, featureset, sane, carefully thought about YAML syntax, etc.

Their documentation seemed weird. It seemed like if you wanted to self-host your own CI builder with their agent, it was still limited to 1 parallel build on their free plan? Is that true? With Gitlab, if you bring your own runner, there's no limitation like that AFAIK (I've never done this yet because I never surpassed 2k build minutes a month) but I glanced their docs.

Open source projects get unlimited self-hosted agents. Let me know if you aren't experiencing that. I'll make sure it's clear in the docs and the website. jepling at microsoft dot com.

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Post by justincormack » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 2:03 PM UTC

beatgammit wrote: post #546

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> Your assertion can only make sense if you also believe that a 12% paycut is irrelevant to your income. You only see the short term. I was on Github during my university, all my projects were there, my team mate were on there too, it was pretty great. When my student account expired, I decided to move everything to Gitlab. I didn't want to move but I won't pay 7$ a month to host my old school projects and some perso…

Sure, but that 12% isn't irrelevant, it's an investment. They're investing 12% of lost revenue in future growth. Now, if personal accounts were far less (e.g. 1% of revenue), I could see the argument that they're irrelevant. Maybe I'm just complaining about vocabulary, and perhaps your clarification was what the OP intended.

That was in 2016 it is likely to be a lot lower now, as enterprise grew.

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Post by ForHackernews » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 2:08 PM UTC

iambateman wrote: post #190

A lot of people are concerned about the “what if they make me the product since I’m no longer paying.” A few reasons I don’t think that will happen: - private, single contributor repos tend to be pretty small. it costs Github very little to service a single account. - Github is a growing social network for developers. Getting young engineers on the platform for free will pay off handsomely when they join a team and a…

I really hate all the "social network" features of github, and I will eventually delete my non-work github account if they keep pushing in that direction. Adding "emoji reactions" was a really bad sign IMHO.

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Post by xf00 » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

natfriedman wrote: post #430

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It's currently in stark contrast with GitHub. I won't be at all surprised if I see in-your-face ads on GitHub in the near future. It's not like there isn't a precedent for it (hello, SourceForge).

You won't see ads on GitHub.

But can you say Microsoft will not use private GitHub data to sell or run targetted ads outside of GitHub?

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Post by pedroms » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

EduardoBautista wrote: post #478

sytse wrote: post #406

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What feature did you find lacking?

I find the GitLab issue board to have a poor UX. For example, depending on where you click, it will open a small summary to the right or it will open a new page with all the issue information. Also, it is ridiculously expensive to have epics, compared to every other issue tracker I have seen, in GitLab issues.

Hi Eduardo, I'm a UX Designer at GitLab working on issue boards. If you click on the issue title, it will open the issue in a new window. If you click somewhere else in the issue card, it will open the summary sidebar. But I agree with you that it can be confusing and not the best UX! To improve it, we are planning to redesign the sidebar so that you can see most (if not all) of the issue's information, removing the need to open the issue in a new window. You can track the discussion and designs in this epic: https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/383#note_108940... Feel free to participate and share your thoughts.

I'd love to hear more about your painpoints with issue boards (and issues in general).

Re: Announcing unlimited free private repos

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Post by 013a » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #232

While I think this is a great move, don't forget that private repos also means no more free Travis CI. Gitlab CI however offers 2,000 build minutes a month with their integrated CI service. Even if your whole set up takes 10 minutes to build on CI, that's 200 builds a month which is plenty for an individual project that's on a private repo. In other words, I think Gitlab's free private repos + CI is still a better ch…

Github Actions is in private beta. From the little time I've spent with it, it could fundamentally change the way you interact with CI; its pretty different compared to normal CI products like Travis, Circle, etc.

Primarily, each pipeline stage can directly reference other public Github repos, with no additional code on your part. This taps in to that community that only exists on Github; for example, to build a project in Language-of-Choice, you just need to find a public implementation of the build pipeline stage for that language, then reference the URL in the action you build.

Its also very docker native, actually to the point of being totally unobvious that everything starts with a docker container. The documentation and hints about how to use it are still pretty sparse since its in beta.

Pricing still hasn't been announced. We'll see. But it feels very promising, especially if a community developers around it focused on providing pipeline stages.