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> What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced warfare system ever. You get this in Canada as well, they just don’t pay for it - US taxpayers do.
The US exports variants of a lot of military hardware for sure, but it still keeps the cream of the crop tucked away, such as the F-22. Don't think for a second the US military hasn't planned for having to wage war against a country that it's outfitted with it's own technology. Many exported items have reduced capabilities, and lack the communications systems that allow information sharing between all military assets…
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#252I like America. I find its people, at least offline, to be warm and generous. I love the outdoors and the massive breadth of natural beauty in this country. However, it is very painful to me that part of my income gets funneled into the pockets of mass murderers. If I were to choose to leave this country it would have to be to some place that at the very least, spends less of my income on endless war. It's a real sha…
>It's a real shame there is basically no peace movement anymore. It exists, but the form it takes has been highly stigmatized to the point of presently being litigated out of existence by the current Senate[1]. Call them 202-224-3121 and express your displeasure at the outlawing of peaceful resistance to occupation. 1. https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/u-s-senates-first-bill-i...
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Yes, but if you’re saying “I don’t see any other evidence of dissatisfaction from that cohort” then that’s because you didn’t notice it, not because it isn’t there.
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm specifically saying that I find that hard to believe that 40% of female youth would emigrate, or 40% of any large scale demographic of US citizens for that matter.
I agree that 40% of such a large population will not emigrate, yes. But the article is saying that 40% want to leave, not that 40% will leave. Migration is complicated, expensive, and painful. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect a significant gap between interest and follow through in this area.
There is however some historical precedent here. When east and west Germany united, about 10% of the population moved from east to west, most women in the 18-29 bracket. The result is that by 2012 east Germany now has 89 women per 100 men (80/100 in rural areas), a significant statistical gap.
While the causes of the above were different, I’d be pretty comfortable saying that the culture shock between east/west Germany was equal to or less than the culture shock between the US and English speaking Canada. So I wouldn’t find a young female migration in the 8-10% range surprising, although I would find it deeply alarming.
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>with recent evidence suggesting that a good chunk, say half, of the population has no interest in progressing. Has it crossed your mind that this half might not see what you want as progress but instead destructive?
If you simply see it politically, then sure. I see progress as a fairly objective goal. We may differ on how, but surely we can agree on the facts and what the definition of better is.
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#255I have a genuine question for people who want to leave the US because of Trump: Is your life actually any different since he's been elected (minus constant media coverage)? I have to say, mine isn't at all. He's barely accomplished anything that's had an impact on our lives yet people are still so upset about him becoming president that they want to move to another country. Can anyone give concrete examples of his po…
My German wife's grandparents probably personally experienced no noticeable negative impact on their lives in the 1930s.
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That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm specifically saying that I find that hard to believe that 40% of female youth would emigrate, or 40% of any large scale demographic of US citizens for that matter.
Ah, my mistake. I agree that 40% of such a large population will not emigrate, yes. But the article is saying that 40% want to leave, not that 40% will leave. Migration is complicated, expensive, and painful. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect a significant gap between interest and follow through in this area. There is however some historical precedent here. When east and west Germany united, about 10% of the popula…
I don’t think you can fairly compare the the unification of post-communist East Germany and everything that it implies (secret police, Cold War, differing economic systems and promises of prosperity, fashion, etc) with the US vs Canada, especially saying it was less different! Canada isn’t that fundamentally different in day to day life!
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It’s paid out based on how much you contributed. Flat rate doesn’t mean everyone pays the same thing, it means same percentage.
That's the problem. Progressive means taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's possible to do that with flat taxes when they pay for a uniform benefit, so everyone pays 20% and everyone receives $10,000, because paying 20% is $50,000 for someone with a lot and $5000 for someone with a little. Social security doesn't do that. The rich get back everything they put in. Or more when you were forced to put money…
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Ah, my mistake. I agree that 40% of such a large population will not emigrate, yes. But the article is saying that 40% want to leave, not that 40% will leave. Migration is complicated, expensive, and painful. It’s perfectly reasonable to expect a significant gap between interest and follow through in this area. There is however some historical precedent here. When east and west Germany united, about 10% of the popula…
But to say that 40% want to leave would imply a considerable number will overcome whatever burdens one has, particularly in the US where the youth tend to be fairly geographically mobile in general compared to most of the world. If you told me 40% we’re displeased with the US and fantasize about living elsewhere, then I’d say that’s more realistic. But to actively want is another matter. I don’t think you can fairly…
If you want to nitpick the Pew’s polling, go find or make something better.
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> "subscribe to a service that would independently validate pharmacies" (meaning everything on the shelf at the pharmacy), validating schools, etc all comes down to recreating work that the govt does That's kind of the point. If the government is doing a crappy job and you can get your money back, go take it to someone else who can do a better job. Maybe even your state or local government instead of the feds. > and…
This will be my last comment on this thread as you've repeatedly failed to keep it topical, but I'm loathe to stop commenting and let your points appear persuasive by default. (the trap of the internet) The issue is not that I trust the government, it's that I trust companies less. Governments have done a lot of bad things, and have done a lot of deception, but ultimately I trust their model of accountability more th…
The common examples are invisible because nobody talks about things that are working. For example, ever have to buy a box of screws, or a hammer, or a piece of rope? Sold in any hardware store at low, transparent prices with minimal regulation and good quality.
> Instead, whenever govt reduces regulation too far, companies form monopolies, perform deceptive trade practices, and break the fundamental concepts of capitalism.
This is the trap of ideological purism. You can argue about "less regulation is better" or "more regulation is better" as an abstract principle but that's not a way to evaluate an individual regulation. Applying either principle blindly and universally would require either total anarchy or total authoritarianism, which isn't what anybody actually wants.
It's possible to eliminate necessary regulations while still having too many (or the wrong) other regulations -- this is in fact what commonly happens in Washington, because the people who win there are the people with the best lobbyists, whether they want to pass/preserve bad competition-destroying regulations or eliminate good competition-protecting ones.
The advantage of a general principle of less regulation, especially at the national level in an environment known to be wasteful and corrupt, is that you can find alternatives for the national government not doing something -- whether it's markets or citizen organizations or local government. But if they waste your resources on corruption and bureaucracy, you can't recover them to use for something better, which interferes with anybody doing something better.
> All of which is irrelevant (again) to this article, which is stating that people are unhappy with the results. They aren't demanding tax cuts, they want the results.
You keep saying this, but the article doesn't say that at all. It says that people are dissatisfied, not why. And given the demographics of the most dissatisfied groups, it wouldn't be the least bit surprising to learn that they would e.g. prefer to reduce military spending.
And if you do want the results, wasting tax money still interferes with that.
For example, you mention homelessness, but that is inherently a local issue. There is a major homelessness problem in San Francisco but not so much in Kansas. And you also can't solve it in SF by building shelters in Kansas. You can't even solve it in SF by building shelters in Bakersfield. The relationship it has with inefficient military spending is that they come from the same tax base -- if the people of San Francisco are paying taxes to fund the military, those dollars can't be used (by the local government or the people themselves) to address homelessness there. Resources are scarce. When the government wastes them, you no longer have them.
> The primary obstacle to results in recent decades has not been the govt being bad at it's job, but people demanding the govt stop doing these things and cutting their funding to do so, then complaining about the govt's inability to fix things.
Only the federal budget hasn't declined. It has been ~20% of GDP since the end of WWII and still is. Which means it has been growing over time, since real GDP per capita is up. If they're providing worse or fewer services than they used to, it's because they're doing less with more, not because they have less in total.
> These are the same people demanding bigger military funding and focus on oil, so the govt seems to be doing a decent job of doing what it's asked...it's just not what I and many others are asking for.
That is the corruption and inefficiency. The people asking for that are defense contractors and oil companies and their workers, who have tons of (taxpayer-sourced) money to lobby with are not a small voting block because the scope of the expenditures is so massive that it employs a large number of people. It's exactly the sort of thing we could reduce in order to lower taxes without impacting the level of actual services provided.
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That's the problem. Progressive means taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's possible to do that with flat taxes when they pay for a uniform benefit, so everyone pays 20% and everyone receives $10,000, because paying 20% is $50,000 for someone with a lot and $5000 for someone with a little. Social security doesn't do that. The rich get back everything they put in. Or more when you were forced to put money…
Progressive (when used in the context of taxes), does not mean this. It means that contribution increases progressively with income. What you are describing are redistributionary taxes. A flat tax of 10% on all incomes could still redistribute all of what the rich pay to the poor.
That is the same thing once you account for where the tax money goes, which it is unreasonable not to do.
For example, if you have a 25% tax that pays for a $10,000 UBI, there is a single marginal rate but the tax system is progressive because the effective rate is a curve. Someone at $20,000 pays $5000 and receives $10,000, net $5000, an effective tax rate of -25%. The effective tax rate is 5% at $50,000, 12.5% at $80,000, increasing asymptotically to 25% with higher incomes.
Compare this with a version of social security that charged higher marginal rates for higher income people, but all benefits are still paid out in proportion to what each person paid in multiplied by their lifespan. There is nothing progressive about this -- if everyone lived the same amount of time it would be exactly breakeven, and since in practice the rich live longer it thereby becomes regressive.