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Cigarette butts are the single greatest source of ocean trash

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Re: Cigarette butts are the single greatest source of ocean trash

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Those papers neither support nor reject the idea. At best it is "suggestive." As I pointed out, with the prisoner/tobacco farmer case you must know the rate of smoking in both populations in order to make any sort of preliminary statement, because 4x vs. 1/4x gives you totally different interpretation, yes? But that information wasn't given. Therefore you cannot draw a conclusion either way from that study. There may…

I'm contrasting smoking cigarettes with vaping. I think those are significantly different things, and that it's very possible that the pure nicotine exposure you'd get from vaping does not contribute as much antiparasitic effect as you'd get from smoking a tobacco cigarette. If you don't believe that the separate showings that - smoking marijuana lowers parasite load - workers on a tobacco plantation have lower paras…

"I'm contrasting smoking cigarettes with vaping"

How am I supposed to know that? Vaping wasn't brought up on any of the g'parents of this thread, and I don't see the relevance. Nor did the papers you referenced discuss vaping.

"smoking marijuana lowers parasite load" - I pointed out that the person you were responding to (lmilcin) was specifically talking about smoking tobacco. I wrote that the study "refers to THC smokers, not nicotine, which is the topic at hand".

If we broaden the topic to THC then I am fully in agreement with the statement that there are benefits to smoking marijuana. However, as the source NPR article says: "Of course, this result is a simple correlation. Hagen doesn't know if the THC in the men's system is actually keeping the parasitic worms at bay. And taking a few pills is a much easier way to get rid of intestinal worms." If the research scientist on the project doesn't know if it's true, why do you think it's true?

I am in agreement with the statement "workers on a tobacco plantation have lower parasite loads than prisoners". But lmilcin's posting was specifically about the effect of smoking. What if none of the tobacco farm workers smoked, while 100% of the prisoners smoked? Wouldn't that show that tobacco smoking does not have a beneficial effect on intestinal parasites? So you tell me, what percentage of each population smoked?

I am in agreement with the statement "tobacco has ... antiparasitic effects". However, the papers you indirectly referenced specifically concerned ingesting liquid solutions of tobacco. They did not mention smoking. As I pointed out, there are several mechanisms where ingestion might work while inhaling does not. Therefore those papers cannot be used to contradict the assertion that tobacco smoking has no health benefits.

You write "smoking is an effective delivery method for antiparasitic treatments".

Which of the papers described smoking as an effective delivery method for antiparasitic treatments? I have read the original publications and not found the conclusion you describe, nor do they support evolutionistx's hypothesis.

Since it's so clear to you, could you quote the relevant text from those publications which supports your conclusion?

Re: Cigarette butts are the single greatest source of ocean trash

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Congratulations, you should be very proud of yourself. That's quite an accomplishment. It's also a bizarrely defensive interjection, given that it has nothing to do with my comment, which was about the set of ostensible environmentalists that focus on self-flagellatory concerns at the expense of actually significant ones, a group that you're saying you're not part of.

Perhaps tone down your externally-flagellatoriousness if you're in agreement with somebody

What do you mean by "externally flagellating"?

Re: Cigarette butts are the single greatest source of ocean trash

#233

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I'm contrasting smoking cigarettes with vaping. I think those are significantly different things, and that it's very possible that the pure nicotine exposure you'd get from vaping does not contribute as much antiparasitic effect as you'd get from smoking a tobacco cigarette. If you don't believe that the separate showings that - smoking marijuana lowers parasite load - workers on a tobacco plantation have lower paras…

"I'm contrasting smoking cigarettes with vaping" How am I supposed to know that? Vaping wasn't brought up on any of the g'parents of this thread, and I don't see the relevance. Nor did the papers you referenced discuss vaping. "smoking marijuana lowers parasite load" - I pointed out that the person you were responding to (lmilcin) was specifically talking about smoking tobacco. I wrote that the study "refers to THC s…

If smoking marijuana lowers parasite load, then smoking is an effective delivery method for the antiparasitic effect of smoking marijuana. You typed it yourself in this very comment.

Re: Cigarette butts are the single greatest source of ocean trash

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"I'm contrasting smoking cigarettes with vaping" How am I supposed to know that? Vaping wasn't brought up on any of the g'parents of this thread, and I don't see the relevance. Nor did the papers you referenced discuss vaping. "smoking marijuana lowers parasite load" - I pointed out that the person you were responding to (lmilcin) was specifically talking about smoking tobacco. I wrote that the study "refers to THC s…

If smoking marijuana lowers parasite load, then smoking is an effective delivery method for the antiparasitic effect of smoking marijuana. You typed it yourself in this very comment.

Yes, and if smoking cured cancer then smoking would be an effective way of curing cancer.

Problem is, you need to demonstrate that your claim is true, otherwise you're begging the question.

I agree that 1) if you widen the topic beyond the original claim, which was specifically about tobacco smoking, and 2) if you assume the correlation implies causation, then sure, you're right.

Except as I've now pointed out several times:

1) the comment you replied to was specifically about tobacco smoking, and trivially disproved if you (mistakenly) expand it to all types of smoking; and

2) neither the lead scientist quoted in the NPR piece nor the actual paper make the claim that smoking marijuana lowers parasite load, only that there is a correlation. Again, quoting the NPR piece, the lead scientist "doesn't know if the THC in the men's system is actually keeping the parasitic worms at bay".

Therefore, how do you know that smoking marijuana lowers parasite load? Please quote the relevant study.

Is this really the hill you want to die on?

Re: Cigarette butts are the single greatest source of ocean trash

#235

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If smoking marijuana lowers parasite load, then smoking is an effective delivery method for the antiparasitic effect of smoking marijuana. You typed it yourself in this very comment.

Yes, and if smoking cured cancer then smoking would be an effective way of curing cancer. Problem is, you need to demonstrate that your claim is true, otherwise you're begging the question. I agree that 1) if you widen the topic beyond the original claim, which was specifically about tobacco smoking, and 2) if you assume the correlation implies causation, then sure, you're right. Except as I've now pointed out severa…

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Re: Cigarette butts are the single greatest source of ocean trash

#236

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Perhaps tone down your externally-flagellatoriousness if you're in agreement with somebody

What do you mean by "externally flagellating"?

It's possible, and this is just a suggestion in the nicest way possible, that he may be referring to his own face. That or he just made a word up. How intelligent!
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