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Re: My Hacker News firehose

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Post by davewiner »

elq wrote: post #29
davewiner wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, does that link cause you any problems in your browser? If so, what browser and on what platform?

Yes. Caused both firefox 3.6.12 and safari 5.0.2 on osx to have fits. firefox on ubuntu and chrome seem to work without trouble.

Sorry about that. What do the fits look like?

How much can they penalize you for opening a web page that has (what amounts to) a broken link?

BTW, I use Firefox on the Mac, on machines that don't have my CMS running on it (that's what the link connects to) without problems.

Re: My Hacker News firehose

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Post by mquander »

nym wrote: post #3

I think it's interesting that Dave Winer decided to do this as a blog post instead of a HN discussion. Instead of having a conversation with the HN community he decided to have a conversation with his readers.

If you're submitting a link, put it in the url field. If you want to add initial commentary on the link, write a blog post about it and submit that instead.

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: My Hacker News firehose

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Post by tptacek »

bravura wrote: post #5
tptacek wrote: post #2

Hacker News isn't a potentially valuable Internet resource waiting to be mined for interesting new applications. That's Twitter. Hacker News is an actual community. I don't know or care why the API got blocked, but I've been as happy with as many HN add-on apps as I have been incredibly irritated by them (paging: guy who scraped all HN job postings and made his own job site with them). From what I can tell, it's not…

Are you against http://searchyc.com ? Are you against Gabriel Weinberg's Ask YC archive ( http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/startupswiki/Ask_YC_Archive )? Would you like it less if he built it automatically instead of manually (cf. http://metaoptimize.com/projects/autotag/hackernews/ )? I agree that the job posting site was really tacky, but that guy entered all the data manually anyhow. I think in sum total that most a…

I like SearchYC.

I've never used the Ask YC archive, but I trust Gabriel Weinberg.

I'm not advocating an end to all add-on apps. I'm saying that there is no principle that animates Hacker News that requires Graham to bend over backwards to accomodate APIs. It's a simple, low-drama point.

Re: My Hacker News firehose

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Post by tptacek »

davewiner wrote: post #6
tptacek wrote: post #2

Hacker News isn't a potentially valuable Internet resource waiting to be mined for interesting new applications. That's Twitter. Hacker News is an actual community. I don't know or care why the API got blocked, but I've been as happy with as many HN add-on apps as I have been incredibly irritated by them (paging: guy who scraped all HN job postings and made his own job site with them). From what I can tell, it's not…

You misunderstood what I was saying. Start with the firehose. I don't want it to make money, I want it so I can link this flow in with other flows that I'm following without having to visit all the sites. Not trying to make a business, just scratching my own itch having no idea where it leads.

I think it's the other way around; you've missed my point. My point is, contrary to the point you raised in your blog post, it does not appear to be part of the charter of Hacker News to accomodate API's.

Surely you've noticed, over the brief time you've been contributing to Hacker News, that the site functionality is very simple. People have asked for hundreds of features that haven't been implemented. I believe that it's not entirely lack of developer bandwidth that keeps those itches from being scratched.

Re: My Hacker News firehose

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Post by davewiner »

tptacek wrote: post #34
davewiner wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstood what I was saying. Start with the firehose. I don't want it to make money, I want it so I can link this flow in with other flows that I'm following without having to visit all the sites. Not trying to make a business, just scratching my own itch having no idea where it leads.

I think it's the other way around; you've missed my point. My point is, contrary to the point you raised in your blog post, it does not appear to be part of the charter of Hacker News to accomodate API's. Surely you've noticed, over the brief time you've been contributing to Hacker News, that the site functionality is very simple. People have asked for hundreds of features that haven't been implemented. I believe tha…

Okay maybe I have missed your point.

Let me ask you a question then, to clarify.

You think there's a reason they have an RSS feed of the top stories but do not have a feed of all the stories as they come in?

Help me, an admitted newbie, understand. Why have one and not the other?

Re: My Hacker News firehose

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Post by tptacek »

davewiner wrote: post #35
tptacek wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's the other way around; you've missed my point. My point is, contrary to the point you raised in your blog post, it does not appear to be part of the charter of Hacker News to accomodate API's. Surely you've noticed, over the brief time you've been contributing to Hacker News, that the site functionality is very simple. People have asked for hundreds of features that haven't been implemented. I believe tha…

Okay maybe I have missed your point. Let me ask you a question then, to clarify. You think there's a reason they have an RSS feed of the top stories but do not have a feed of all the stories as they come in? Help me, an admitted newbie, understand. Why have one and not the other?

I've always assumed it was because the feed of all stories as they come in contains a huge amount of junk, and also because RSS on Hacker News is an afterthought. I use RSS as my primary interface to HN, but I also recognize that it's inferior to the site itself.

Re: My Hacker News firehose

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Post by ronnier »

tptacek wrote: post #38
davewiner wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay maybe I have missed your point. Let me ask you a question then, to clarify. You think there's a reason they have an RSS feed of the top stories but do not have a feed of all the stories as they come in? Help me, an admitted newbie, understand. Why have one and not the other?

I've always assumed it was because the feed of all stories as they come in contains a huge amount of junk, and also because RSS on Hacker News is an afterthought. I use RSS as my primary interface to HN, but I also recognize that it's inferior to the site itself.

Have you tried this? This is something else I'm working on...

http://viewtext.org/article?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinato...

It will populate the RSS feed with the full content.

Re: My Hacker News firehose

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Post by tptacek »

ronnier wrote: post #39
tptacek wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always assumed it was because the feed of all stories as they come in contains a huge amount of junk, and also because RSS on Hacker News is an afterthought. I use RSS as my primary interface to HN, but I also recognize that it's inferior to the site itself.

Have you tried this? This is something else I'm working on... http://viewtext.org/article?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinato... It will populate the RSS feed with the full content.

I'm generally disinclined to replace HN's existing RSS with someone else's RSS feed that might at any moment stop working. HN RSS sucks, but I never have to think about it.

As someone else pointed out, I also depend on SearchYC, which is an external application. The difference is the SearchYC is extraordinarily well known. HN can't cut off SearchYC without alienating a sizeable group of site veterans.

That's more than you probably wanted to know, but, hey, you asked.

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