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Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by phaus »

throwaway6356 wrote: post #66
ancymon wrote: post #8

Is it false and defamatory to suggest that WikiLeaks was a tool used to affect US election?

isn't the role of every media organization to affect the outcome of elections, by revealing true facts to the public? democracy dies in the dark you know.

There's a difference between objectively revealing all relevant, true facts at your disposal and selectively releasing true facts that support your agenda or actively harm your opponent, at very specific times when its most advantageous for you to do it. There's also a difference between having legitimate complaints about the United States government and actively working with Russian Intelligence to destabilize western civilization.

Journalism is supposed to inform, not manipulate.

You talk about democracy dying. If Wikileaks had their way I don't think you'd like the NWO that Putin and China would build for us.

Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by nkurz »

throwaway6356 wrote: post #70
walrus01 wrote: post #6

The ridiculous hypocrisy of the "official" wikileaks organization sending out a document labeled "CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL COMMUNICATION NOT FOR PUBLICATION."

> The ridiculous hypocrisy they are legally required to do this because to make a public statement would be a violation of the gag order he is under.

It's an interesting theory, but I'm not sure if I believe it. Which gag order is this, and how does it apply to Wikileaks?

Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway6356 wrote: post #64
ucaetano wrote: post #4

It is sad to see how low WikiLeaks has fallen, and makes me think more and more that there has never been much of WL beyond Assange himself. It has reached comical levels of insanity, illusion of grandeur and narcissism.

> insanity, illusion of grandeur and narcissism they did change the outcome of a US election, and probably the course of world history, which is more than all of the anti-trump media combined, so that is a pretty big accomplishment ...

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Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by elif »

ucaetano wrote: post #4

It is sad to see how low WikiLeaks has fallen, and makes me think more and more that there has never been much of WL beyond Assange himself. It has reached comical levels of insanity, illusion of grandeur and narcissism.

It is comically insane to clarify matters when lies are being spread about you?

Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by zozbot123 »

hannasanarion wrote: post #60
smacktoward wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear to me that intelligence agencies would have ever needed to compromise WikiLeaks-the-organization. WikiLeaks' whole methodology was to publish, unedited and unredacted, any documents anyone handed them. Any intelligence agency that wanted a clean way to get some illicitly-obtained documents out into public view could therefore do so just by handing them to WikiLeaks, without needing to subvert the organ…

We can tell that wikileaks is now a front precisely because they have stopped operating in the way you describe. They no longer publish everything they have been given (Assange once claimed to have documents embarassing to Russia but they are as yet unpublished). They no longer publish documents indiscriminately (Podesta emails trickled out over the course of October 2016 for maximum political effect on the election)…

That's all Assange's doing, though. He's doing the political equivalent of s--tposting, same as the foreign "trolls" you hear and read about, because he's independently pursuing very similar goals.

Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by elif »

hannasanarion wrote: post #79
Varcht wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It is false and defamatory to suggest that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks have not published critical information on Russia, Syria or Donald Trump [in fact, WikiLeaks has published hundreds of thousands of documents on Russia, millions on Syria, and thousands on Donald Trump, see https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/ , https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=russia%7Cputin%7Cmoscow#... , https://wikileaks.org/syria-files…

ooooOOOOOOooooOOOO is Julian going to sue me for defamation now? Allow me to amend: Wikileaks now publishes Russia and putin related material long after they aquire them and only after they are called out on it. They sat on the "spy files" for a full year, and only published them after their source went around telling other publications about them. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l...

No... but your argument was defamed of its basis.

Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by fixermark »

elif wrote: post #94
ucaetano wrote: post #4

It is sad to see how low WikiLeaks has fallen, and makes me think more and more that there has never been much of WL beyond Assange himself. It has reached comical levels of insanity, illusion of grandeur and narcissism.

It is comically insane to clarify matters when lies are being spread about you?

I wouldn't say "insane," but it's comical to watch an organization ostensibly dedicated to shining the light of truth into the dark places of power crawling this far up its own nethers to attempt to damage-control their own leader's bad behavior.

Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by fixermark »

marpstar wrote: post #7
ucaetano wrote: post #4

It is sad to see how low WikiLeaks has fallen, and makes me think more and more that there has never been much of WL beyond Assange himself. It has reached comical levels of insanity, illusion of grandeur and narcissism.

WikiLeaks has almost certainly been compromised by global intelligence agencies and is operating as a front.

That's precisely the kind of conspiracy theory that, were it true, we'd expect Wikileaks to publish a document describing.

... except that they couldn't, because they would be compromised and operating as a front. Wheels within wheels... ;)

Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by elif »

hannasanarion wrote: post #62
porphyrogene wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are confusing a conceivable narrative for a well-reasoned explanation.

Why else would the podesta emails be trickled out over the course of the 30 days prior to the election, each time with a promise that the juciest ones are yet to come? Wikileaks has never done a trickle-release like that with any other document dump. Why were the podesta emails different if not to influence the election?

You don't have to invent an answer to that question, they have provided their own explanation. Wikileaks believed the theft of the democratic party seat would be downplayed, refuted, or ignored by the 24-hour news-cycle.

Unfortunately, it seems to have happened anyway.

Also wikileaks has done multi-part staged releases on many occasions before and after, including the russia files and vault 7.

Re: Things You Can’t Say About Assange or WikiLeaks

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Post by fixermark »

throwaway6356 wrote: post #64
ucaetano wrote: post #4

It is sad to see how low WikiLeaks has fallen, and makes me think more and more that there has never been much of WL beyond Assange himself. It has reached comical levels of insanity, illusion of grandeur and narcissism.

> insanity, illusion of grandeur and narcissism they did change the outcome of a US election, and probably the course of world history, which is more than all of the anti-trump media combined, so that is a pretty big accomplishment ...

Maybe. They likely had an impact. The money spent by Russian intelligence to run propaganda via social media should likely be counted as at least as influential.
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