Money gave me stability. Stability allowed me to have time for introspection. Introspection allowed me to target issues in my life. Fixing those issues is lowering my discomfort in life. Money won't fix anything for you but it will provide you an environment where you can.
The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
71–80 of 195 posts
Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a choice.
Then what is it? Jordan Peterson, who for a long time I wrote off as a crackpot until I actually paid attention to some of his interviews and lectures, talks a lot about this. Happiness is a pretty crappy goal to have. It's a side effect of pursuing actual, worthwhile goals. People need to take some responsibility for their own state of mind and the things they are choosing to do that affect it.
Also, worthy goals often bring pain. They often require you to forego own hapiness for something you consider more valuable. They often leave you burnout, feeling empty, unsatisfied and tired maybe even ressentfull. In particular, caregiving work is often like that. Soldiers also follow goals worthy to them (whether you personally agree or not with this or that goal) and are not happier in the result - it is called sacrifice for a reason. Those two are just obvious examples, not the only ones.
In addition to all that, your own happy personally worthy goal often brings unhappiness to somebody else, often to familly. It is extremely unfair to then blame that person for his or her own unhappiness since that has a lot to do with mine (or yours) decisions.
Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#73Yes.
I don't have a control group for myself, though, but it's sure a lot better than the turmoil of teens and twenties life.
Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#74Americans are becoming too rational and this is a major problem. When you over-value rationality, you expect to be able to have a rational answer to every question. The hand-licking story that made the front page today illustrates this point perfectly. Approached rationally, the mom could not solve the problem, no amount of mental effort would yield a resolution or insight into the issue. When the mind expects an ans…
Nowadays, we've thrown away every last bit of symbolism that brings people together and wonder why we're so lonely. If things aren't perfectly rational, people's minds rebel immediately and harshly, like it's my fault you don't understand a concept requiring depth of study to really grasp.
You had me up until here. First of all, who's lonely, who's "we"? In a conformist society, those who think differently can find it more lonely, by definition. Second, atheists went to Church? Well was that because if they didn't, they were ostracized -- and, well, lonely?
Children of higher intelligence (we do believe that it's possible that we're not all blank slates at birth, right?) tend to find it more lonely than children of average intelligence.
If you consider yourself an exceptional (in some way) person -- rightly or wrongly -- you'll find things more complicated socially.
Now I think you're onto something with the rationality bit, but not in the Nietzschean way you're alluding to (religion and community). Instead, well look at how we create our social bonds in the U.S.: use-value.
Have you ever been in a position of power, and found that suddenly everyone wanted to be your friend?
Or, have you read what men and women write on dating websites in terms of what they want? These to me are more evidence of a "rationality militates against happiness" than your strange atheist example.
Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#75Money gave me stability. Stability allowed me to have time for introspection. Introspection allowed me to target issues in my life. Fixing those issues is lowering my discomfort in life. Money won't fix anything for you but it will provide you an environment where you can.
Wealth creates discomforts and tells you that you need wealth to alleviate them. Don't buy into it the hype too much.
Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#76https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill We spend a lot of our time trying to add pleasure to our lives to (temporarily) boost us above our baseline happiness level, when really we should be spending that time learning how to change the baseline level itself. Isn't it odd that there are monks who live with nothing who are probably happier than any of us?
I can't even measure my own "happiness" most of the time, and it's a different part of my brain giving that report (usually full of crap and not realistic) from the part that actually experiences "happiness".
Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#77https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill We spend a lot of our time trying to add pleasure to our lives to (temporarily) boost us above our baseline happiness level, when really we should be spending that time learning how to change the baseline level itself. Isn't it odd that there are monks who live with nothing who are probably happier than any of us?
Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#78https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill We spend a lot of our time trying to add pleasure to our lives to (temporarily) boost us above our baseline happiness level, when really we should be spending that time learning how to change the baseline level itself. Isn't it odd that there are monks who live with nothing who are probably happier than any of us?
How do you know those monks are "happier"? How can you measure something like that? I can't even measure my own "happiness" most of the time, and it's a different part of my brain giving that report (usually full of crap and not realistic) from the part that actually experiences "happiness".
Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#79Re: The money, job, marriage myth: are you happy yet?
#80There is nothing which will make you happy. You must choose to be happy. There is no job, no amount of money, no relationship, which will make you feel whole and happy and content and done. The opposite doesn't hold - there are jobs and relationships and financial strains which will certainly keep you from being happy. The goal isn't for a job or a relationship to make you happy. It's to enable other things which are…
It's not a choice.