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Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by CydeWeys »

netrap wrote: post #107
tristor wrote: post #57

I find it interesting how many comments here and on other sites that linked the same article talk about this being tied to concerns around how their tax dollars are spent. It seems many people are not aware that the US is one of only two countries which taxes it's citizens no matter where they reside. Leaving the US is not enough if you wish to avoid taxation, you must also acquire citizenship in another country, and…

While it is true, isn't only after the first 100K USD or so that you have to pay taxes on??

Source?

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Post by benj111 »

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

"aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation"

Ironic as American expats are still taxed, unless they give up citizenship.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-us-citizens-liv...

https://www.americansabroad.org/us-taxes-abroad-for-dummies-...

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Post by dvdhnt »

tristor wrote: post #57

I find it interesting how many comments here and on other sites that linked the same article talk about this being tied to concerns around how their tax dollars are spent. It seems many people are not aware that the US is one of only two countries which taxes it's citizens no matter where they reside. Leaving the US is not enough if you wish to avoid taxation, you must also acquire citizenship in another country, and…

> Someone who has renounced their US citizenship is forever barred from ever getting citizenship, and their children are typically also barred from getting citizenship. In addition, they will pretty much always be denied a visa for entry, and they are ineligible for visa at arrival, and may have difficulty to get even pre-applied visas for visiting such as B-1/B-2.

This does not appear to be true, can you provide sources?

The State department's website makes it clear that you'll be treated as any other "foreigner", and a Google search shows plenty of articles noting that while _near impossible_, there is at least a possibility you can regain citizenship - but you'll be competing against the entire world.

Also, your children can get their citizenship if they were born in the U.S., as long as they apply within 6 months of their 18th birthday.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega...

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by CydeWeys »

arbol wrote: post #104
tristor wrote: post #57

I find it interesting how many comments here and on other sites that linked the same article talk about this being tied to concerns around how their tax dollars are spent. It seems many people are not aware that the US is one of only two countries which taxes it's citizens no matter where they reside. Leaving the US is not enough if you wish to avoid taxation, you must also acquire citizenship in another country, and…

How can the US tax foreign income? Presumably they would have no idea about your earnings abroad.

Most places you'd want to move to have extradition treaties with the US.

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Post by hindsightbias »

qbz wrote: post #28
whatshisface wrote: post #15

I see that people are assuming that the ones who want to leave do so because they feel the government is insufficiently liberal. The truth is, I have met some people who wish they could leave to go somewhere more conservative. I think that everyone would want to leave the US if somewhere out there was a utopia that exactly implemented their political and social views. The main thing that tamps down that desire is the…

>The truth is, I have met some people who wish they could leave to go somewhere more conservative. That sounds weird. Where are they going to move to? There are only a few select places in the world with freedom of speech, which seems like a very necessary value to be a conservative in the current times.

A new Confederacy located in the former US South.

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Post by Bhilai »

whatshisface wrote: post #15

I see that people are assuming that the ones who want to leave do so because they feel the government is insufficiently liberal. The truth is, I have met some people who wish they could leave to go somewhere more conservative. I think that everyone would want to leave the US if somewhere out there was a utopia that exactly implemented their political and social views. The main thing that tamps down that desire is the…

> The truth is, I have met some people who wish they could leave to go somewhere more conservative.

It's ironical because it's mostly conservatives who seem to be against immigration (into America) and yet they want to migrate to another country.

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Post by josefresco »

CydeWeys wrote: post #105
sgjohnson wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel’s warfare system is far more advanced than the US. Paid for by the US taxpayer of course.

Israel's Navy is a joke. They have nothing of any relevance except a handful of subs that might be capable of launching nuclear missiles. They have no destroyers, no cruisers, and most importantly, no aircraft carriers.

Aren't destroyers, cruisers and carriers considered antiquated in a modern / all out war? A few times a year, I see articles about how these slow moving, once mighty behemoths would make easy targets for newer anti-ship missiles / tech.

Nuclear armed submarines are probably their most important defensive asset.

So is Israel smart for not wasting money on a huge naval fleet?

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Post by kortilla »

rootusrootus wrote: post #31
skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

I would say it is dissatisfaction with the government's contract with the citizenry, combined with recent evidence suggesting that a good chunk, say half, of the population has no interest in progressing. So people who can leave for somewhere that more closely aligns with their values are doing just that. I have family here and I love the United States, I'm staying, and I hope we can make some more progress, but I to…

>with recent evidence suggesting that a good chunk, say half, of the population has no interest in progressing.

Has it crossed your mind that this half might not see what you want as progress but instead destructive?

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