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Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by PakG1 »

maxerickson wrote: post #41
skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Federal healthcare spending is much larger than military spending: https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_... (from https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bud... ) It's unfortunate the chart includes social security, which isn't quite tax and spend the way most of the rest of the federal budget is.

The important question is not whether the spending is high. The important question is whether the spending is effective.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by king_panic »

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Consider that most, if not all, of these developed nations can afford the services you listed because America has vowed to protect them with it's military power.

We spend on military force so they don't have to. The money they save is used for the services you listed.

We could renegotiate, which is what President Trump is doing, yet Id guess Americans want to have the worlds largest and most advanced military. "He with the biggest stick" mentality.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

jedmeyers wrote: post #30
wyldfire wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument is not genuine. US has a legal immigration requiring much the same process as Canada. If you end up crossing into Canada outside of a port of entry, you can request asylum from the Canadian border patrol just like you can in the US.

Of course you can apply but does a random person living in the US has enough grounds to receive an asylum in Canada?

Possibly, but given the US's relative freedoms unlikely. Here's your criteria:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se...

If there's a risk to your life or to you being mistreated upon your return, then you may qualify.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by assblaster »

uncoder0 wrote: post #36
skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

We really need to address the absolute cost of healthcare in this country before we can make any progress on nationalizing any portion of it. The pure costs are outrageous. We spend ~$10,000 per capita in 2017 vs ~$6,000 in Norway which has a similar per capita GDP. (PPP adjusted https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-... )

Actually that's not that bad for the United States since the obesity rate in the US is 4x that of Norway.

If the US got its obesity rate under control, we could save a lot of money (less hypertension, less diabetes).

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by axaxs »

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

I think this hits the nail on the head. I don't like our healthcare system, daycare like school system, lack of mass transit, and defense spending. In theory, of course I'd like to move to another country that better serves its citizens. Will I? Very doubtful. But as long as the government fails its people, a lot of them are going to -want- to leave.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by Brakenshire »

maxerickson wrote: post #41
skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Federal healthcare spending is much larger than military spending: https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_... (from https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bud... ) It's unfortunate the chart includes social security, which isn't quite tax and spend the way most of the rest of the federal budget is.

The US actually spends as much public money on healthcare as many other countries with universal heathcare, it’s just that it is spent very inefficiently.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by duxup »

The hassle of moving to another country is not small. I gotta think there is a desire for personal change / lifestyle / even just seeing what it is like elsewhere, as much as just recent political stuff.

It's easy to tack on reasons that are convenient to say, you might even think that is the reason... but the trigger might be something else.

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