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Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by rootusrootus »

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

I would say it is dissatisfaction with the government's contract with the citizenry, combined with recent evidence suggesting that a good chunk, say half, of the population has no interest in progressing. So people who can leave for somewhere that more closely aligns with their values are doing just that.

I have family here and I love the United States, I'm staying, and I hope we can make some more progress, but I totally understand why some people don't want to wait that long.

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whatshisface wrote: post #15

I see that people are assuming that the ones who want to leave do so because they feel the government is insufficiently liberal. The truth is, I have met some people who wish they could leave to go somewhere more conservative. I think that everyone would want to leave the US if somewhere out there was a utopia that exactly implemented their political and social views. The main thing that tamps down that desire is the…

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Post by kohanz »

lkrubner wrote: post #14

A truly incredible statistic: “ 40% of women younger than 30 would like to leave the U.S. ” That says a lot about the extent to which Trump has alienated young women.

I agree it's quite high, but knowing the "baseline", whatever that is would help give some context. They give the Bush & Obama numbers for other categories, but I didn't see it for this one. But based on what's there, I don't think it'd be far off to say that, at any given time, about 1 in 4 women under 30 wants to leave the US. Some of those reasons may have nothing to do with politics. Still, the sharp increase for the current president is notable.

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Post by sgjohnson »

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Israel’s warfare system is far more advanced than the US.

Paid for by the US taxpayer of course.

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Post by bborud »

whatshisface wrote: post #15

I see that people are assuming that the ones who want to leave do so because they feel the government is insufficiently liberal. The truth is, I have met some people who wish they could leave to go somewhere more conservative. I think that everyone would want to leave the US if somewhere out there was a utopia that exactly implemented their political and social views. The main thing that tamps down that desire is the…

Anecdotal evidence isn't really all that interesting.

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Post by uncoder0 »

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

We really need to address the absolute cost of healthcare in this country before we can make any progress on nationalizing any portion of it. The pure costs are outrageous. We spend ~$10,000 per capita in 2017 vs ~$6,000 in Norway which has a similar per capita GDP. (PPP adjusted https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-...)

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Post by hombre_fatal »

"I would love to travel" and "I would love to live somewhere else" are some of the most worthless declarations I've ever heard.

You'll find that people don't even want to invoke the tiniest bit of effort to realize either of those ambitions. Instead people prefer the self-limiting beliefs of why they cannot, like it somehow being expensive or that everything will collapse in their absence as if their life is a house of cards.

Anyone who has lived abroad in a cheap country and dealt with a barrage of "omg I wish I could do what you do" knows what I'm talking about. At first you think people mean it, but the instant you challenge them on it, you realize they prefer the Skinner box of desiring rather than having.

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Post by cowpig »

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Somehow I doubt that most people are thinking of where they want to live in terms of "returns on taxation"

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Post by blhack »

jedmeyers wrote: post #25
skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

> What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced warfare system ever. You get this in Canada as well, they just don’t pay for it - US taxpayers do.

Most of Europe, and most of Asia too.

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Post by omegaworks »

tjr225 wrote: post #22

I like America. I find its people, at least offline, to be warm and generous. I love the outdoors and the massive breadth of natural beauty in this country. However, it is very painful to me that part of my income gets funneled into the pockets of mass murderers. If I were to choose to leave this country it would have to be to some place that at the very least, spends less of my income on endless war. It's a real sha…

>It's a real shame there is basically no peace movement anymore.

It exists, but the form it takes has been highly stigmatized to the point of presently being litigated out of existence by the current Senate[1].

Call them 202-224-3121 and express your displeasure at the outlawing of peaceful resistance to occupation.

1. https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/u-s-senates-first-bill-i...

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