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The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by zozbot123 »

londons_explore wrote: post #268
zozbot123 wrote: post #267

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Umidigi is one of the crappiest brands you could pick, though. Why not spend a few dollars more than that and get a phone with a real development community.

I chose it because they seem to have zero developers to write bloatware. It's literally the demo firmware from mediatek. Every other brand seems to feel the need to "Value Add", which I don't appreciate.

"Android One" phones are just as bloatware-free and tend to come with OTA updates, though. (And most of them can be OEM unlocked, if you're into that.) There are a few other brands that don't use the "Android One" label but have rather "clean" firmware as well.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #123
untog wrote: post #51

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The obvious answer is size. It's not that I can't carry an iPhone 7 in my hands or anything, but I just have no use for the bigger screen, so the extra bulk is literally useless. I still feel like the iPhone SE is the perfect phone form factor, and it's sad that there are basically no options for those of us who want one.

I’d want the XR type screen though (I’ve seen the OLES, didn’t care). SE size, just go edge to edge.

Imagine SE screen size, but edge-to-edge. That thing would be gorgeous — it would almost be as small as the phones we used to have back before smartphones, when anything bigger than about 4" was derided as a 'brick'.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by ataturk »

yoz-y wrote: post #277
xfitm3 wrote: post #265

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I avoid apple stores at all costs. It’s crowded, long lines, and always located in a busy area or dense shopping mall.

I share your experience but I think that all of that shows that they are doing something right, having too many customers is hardly a bad problem to have.

We visited Disney parks in Orlando over the holidays. Jammed to the gunwales with people. They definitely have a problem with being a victim of their own success. A major fall is coming.

Apple is no longer run by techies and has thus lost all its real flavor. The Macbook 2015 era was the pinnacle and we're on the down slope for now. The new Mini that costs 899 to get in the door (any thousands for any reasonably decent config) was just a slap in our faces--a giant FU to Mac users on a budget. The Mini I speced out was over $4000. Sorry, Apple, you're fucking dreaming.

The only this Macs have going for them now is that they aren't Windows-based. iOS is meh, always has been.

There needs to be more players in the smartphone space, quite frankly.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by bluedino »

llampx wrote: post #208
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #177

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Considering Sinofsky's record, I wouldn't necessarily consider him a credible authority on this. There's an obvious difference between "a cheaper phone" and making the range as affordable as it was five years ago - instead of relying on so-called luxury branding while offering very little extra and annoying customers with product issues (missing headphone jack, BatteryGate, etc) and mediocre software updates. Apple d…

I used to love going to the Apple Store and playing with the new iPhones, iPads and Macbooks, especially soon after a new product launch. Maybe its just me getting older but it doesn't have the same appeal anymore.

The iPad Pro is worth going to play with in person. But the Mac lineup hasn't been in years. First it was the Air, "Wow, look how small this laptop is. And it's made of aluminum!" Then it became, "Wow! Look at the Retina display! It's amazing!"

Now it's just like, "Why'd they take off the ports on this laptop? It's a weird brown color. And two of the keys don't work, already." To make it worse, everything is the same. You can't tell anything apart? Is this the Air? Wait, it's the old Pro? Which watch is this? Is this the XR or the XS? What's the difference?

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

throw0u1t wrote: post #148
donarb wrote: post #65

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Don’t drop it then. I’m not being funny. I treat every phone I’ve ever owned as the expensive devices they are. I buy a protective case, don’t put it in my back pocket where it can be bent or broken. I don’t use it while standing over the toilet so it can’t be dropped in. When I drink with friends, I don’t lay my phone on the bar where some drunk can spill beer on it. It’s more than being able to have the use of a fu…

I treat my phones the same, and I thought "I'll never drop this", until you do. Both times I've dropped the phone getting in or out of the car. First time it landed face first on the garage floor and shattered the screen and the second time it landed on its side and just scratched the case a little. Hard to know what will happen when you drop your phone.

> Hard to know what will happen when you drop your phone.

I find this is the real problem. I've had phones that I've dropped many, many times, onto hard surfaces, that have come away without a scratch. Then I dropped a Nokia 3 and the screen just flew apart.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by bluedino »

marbletiles wrote: post #36
threeseed wrote: post #6

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I don't understand why people are so confused on this. Apple ships models that fill the lower price brands. It is the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 which are still supported and being sold.

Consider the iPod: the differentiation was about things people would care about, like size, capacity, portability, style, etc. You weren't made to feel cheap just because you entered at the lower price points. You wanted an iPod Mini, and it made sense that it cost less than the Classic: you were still getting "the best" version of the thing you desired. Same story with the Mac: buying the iBook didn't make you feel…

The same went for the MacBook lineup. I don't want a Retina display, quad core, etc. I'll live with a lower spec for a $999 machine. And as a bonus my battery lasts longer!

By comparison I think the iBook was always a crippled version.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by kkarakk »

tapland wrote: post #243
londons_explore wrote: post #234

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I feel like Apple can just have a popup that says "Verizon has no service here. AppleNet has 4 bars service. Do you want to connect to AppleNet instead($35 per month)?". Click 'Yes' and you're subscribed, billed to your Apple account just like any other in-app subscription, and only used when your main provider has no service or you have no SIM inserted.

Yep. But with that functionality it could also be: Turn iPhone on, get asked the same, never worry about a separate carrier, ever. Carriers don't want that.

Apple has shown that they can dictate whatever terms they want to carriers before. Them not being able to do so in this particular instance doesn't make sense.

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Post by kkarakk »

rigidglobe wrote: post #230
interlocutor wrote: post #173

Apple's problem is that their rate of innovation has slowed down. iPhone generates over a 100 Billion dollars in revenue. Per year. If any company has the resources to innovate it is Apple. Apple, here are some free ideas. Some of these ideas go beyond the phone and into cell networks. If Google can do that ( https://fi.google.com ) why can't Apple? - Improve cellular reception. We are now heavily reliant on our cell…

I would have switched to android this year due to high iPhone XS price had it not been the “need” to stay in iMessages. When most of your friends are having a blue chat bubble, you don’t want to be “that guy”. iMessages is apples secret weapon and I’m surprised android hasn’t done their own iMessages api where all android can interoperable. Or at the very least why hasnt Samsung done their own? Finally, other secret…

whatsapp has already replaced iMessage in most of the english speaking world. in fact i'd say anyone using iMessage outside the US is the anachronism. i had to explain the concept of how iMessage uses the internet to send messages to someone else with an iPhone instead of SMS to someone in the middle east for example

whatsapp has fast caught up in features too - you can send and receive files/music clips/gifs etc. animoji/blue checkbox isn't enough of a differentiating factor to matter

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by kkarakk »

zozbot123 wrote: post #281
londons_explore wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chose it because they seem to have zero developers to write bloatware. It's literally the demo firmware from mediatek. Every other brand seems to feel the need to "Value Add", which I don't appreciate.

"Android One" phones are just as bloatware-free and tend to come with OTA updates, though. (And most of them can be OEM unlocked, if you're into that.) There are a few other brands that don't use the "Android One" label but have rather "clean" firmware as well.

i think the parent commenter thinks of google play services as bloatware too

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by kkarakk »

dstroot wrote: post #39
pdimitar wrote: post #11

Or maybe the Asian market is not riding the display 's notch hype train? They might view the notch + the high price as opposing factors (I once heard a guy say "why would you pay so much for a phone with a screen that's cut on several places?"). Food for thought. I bought the X because I wanted an OLED screen iPhone. And I was digging the less bezels. The notch however is irritating me to this day, 14 months in. And…

What notch? I have an X too and seriously I never notice or think about the notch in normal use.

is playing pubg/fortnite not part of your normal use? coz everyone in the world is playing those games and the notch cuts out SIGNIFICANT real estate
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