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The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More Weight Than Ever

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Re: The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More Weight Than Ever

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I carried roughly 48kg in the field, on “easier” movements, it might drop to 35kg or so. I was an officer so I was a bit luckier than the guy carrying the MK 48. And God save us all when we had to go MOPP 4. (MOPP 4 is when you have to wear full-Chem-Bio protective gear.) Doing all that at almost 6000 feet makes it even less fun.

And you’re being shot at. Nah the military is not for me.

Re: The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More Weight Than Ever

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I actually wrote an essay that dug pretty deep into this topic, many years ago, after I finished my enlistment as a Marine infantry machinegunner - likely the most overburdened MOS. I'm surprised this didn't get a mention in the article, especially considering the latest developments: women in combat roles. The significant difference between male and female upper body strength is going to be impossible to ignore unde…

What isnt mentioned is how this weight is dictated by modern combat doctrine. We expect troops on patrol to be ambushed and to fight back and win. That is new. It didnt happen in ww2 because, if ambushed, retreat was always an option, a good one considering you often had no idea how big the enemy was ahead of you. But today we assume the enemy is always six guys with guns. We expect our patrols to never retreat. So they are layered in armor and need the ammo to hold down a nest for up to an hour.

Ive done some work with specials. They dont carry as much because thier missions are different. If ambushed they arent expected to stand and fight every time.

Re: The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More Weight Than Ever

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This sounds insane. My hobby is medium distance hiking in (say, 250 km/155 mi na week) in the Scandinavian Arctic, so I have to carry all my food. I'm a fan of ultralight hiking, so my whole summer baggage weights around 10 kg/20 lbs excluding water. I invested some money in lighter equipment, yes, but most of my weight savings is stuff I simply do not take with me, or things that serve in multiple roles (eg. my hiki…

It's probably even worse than you think - it's not just about carrying a lot of weight. You're expected to carry it and still move pretty quickly on humps. In infantry in the USMC, going at 1-2 miles an hour with all this gear isn't unheard of, or 20 miles a day. If someone is faltering, it means one more person's gear that has to be split up for others to carry.

For some units, the amount of gear you have to carry can get bad, like carrying a 50 cal, or in the case of my unit, we had a lot of M240Bs to carry because that's what we had on our LAVs.

Re: The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More Weight Than Ever

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This sounds insane. My hobby is medium distance hiking in (say, 250 km/155 mi na week) in the Scandinavian Arctic, so I have to carry all my food. I'm a fan of ultralight hiking, so my whole summer baggage weights around 10 kg/20 lbs excluding water. I invested some money in lighter equipment, yes, but most of my weight savings is stuff I simply do not take with me, or things that serve in multiple roles (eg. my hiki…

>A soldier may not care about the views, but he should watch out for people who are trying to kill him. If my experience translates at all, the weight is interfering with that goal.

Getting shot by enemy direct fire is actually quite rare. Infantrymen are killed by landmines, mortars, artillery, IEDs, grenades, cluster bombs, and all other various forms of shrapnel and explosive based weaponry at a much greater rate. The modern battlefield is an exceedingly hostile place to be a soft target of any kind, and that's what your armor is for. Wearing it demonstrably increases survivability over time in combat despite the increased weight load.

Re: The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More Weight Than Ever

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I'm reminded of the O/R story of PMS Blackett and removing armour behind pilots. I know it's not the same but it's in the same space: armchair experts can easily "see" less weight would make for a more effective fighting force. Nobody in actual authority or chain of command wants to be the one turning up at a soldiers funeral saying "I issued the order to have less armour"

It's not that the economics/efficiency argument isn't clear. It's that we now value human life more than we did eg during the battle of the somme. "Attrition" is not an acceptable battle plan in public.

I've never been in harm's way. I've never had to make decisions about people going into harm's way. I don't for a minute assume it's easy to make these decisions.

That more people die (D-Day landings, parachuteists drowning due to surplus weight added before launch) is not surprising either. It's lose-lose decision making.

Re: The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More Weight Than Ever

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post #11

I actually wrote an essay that dug pretty deep into this topic, many years ago, after I finished my enlistment as a Marine infantry machinegunner - likely the most overburdened MOS. I'm surprised this didn't get a mention in the article, especially considering the latest developments: women in combat roles. The significant difference between male and female upper body strength is going to be impossible to ignore unde…

I always felt bad for you weapons guys. We had a guy in our company that barely met the height requirement. He was like, 5'3" and 95lbs soaking wet. He was a machine gunner and he humped his heart out but it was painful to watch.

For a long time I was pretty irritated about landing in a line company instead of a mounted weapons company... but after a combat tour, where the majority of KIA was from roadside IEDs, I didn't mind walking so much. The loadout did get more and more ridiculous though - after some officer got shot in the heart through his armpit, we all got issued side SAPIs that added weight, interfered with room clearing mobility, and cut off circulation in our arms. Backpacker syndrome [0] was also pretty common.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachial_plexus_injury

Re: The Overloaded Soldier: Why U.S. Infantry Now Carry More Weight Than Ever

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been tried. Legged Squad Support System.[1] Got far enough to be field-tested by the USMC. Too noisy. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIaXEMOhihw

I mean the wheeled ones mentioned in the article, where the argument was that it became a single point of failure and easy target due to it carrying all the ammunition etc. However, the article later argues that too many items carried by soldiers are "just in case" so my thought is why not combine these two and get rid of both problems?

When you combine you get both problems.
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