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The Hand Licking Incident

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Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#121
"It was his body. He could lick his hands if he wanted to."

Bloody hell, the state of western women is constantly getting worse.

Quit being so delusional and just put some hot sauce on the goddamn kid's hands while asleep and he will stop licking his hands. Works like a charm and is known for centuries as this problem is nothing new.

Inb4 tech libs call this child abuse, lmao doesn't work on a slav, try somewhere else.

Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#122
post #80

This reminds me of something that happened with our child. She started pulling her hair out at night as she fell asleep. Large clumps were pulled out over a month or two and every night there would be small amounts of hair removed. There was a lot of pressure to go to a psychologist from her GP and medication was suggested too. We were talking about it a lot and her hair was getting thin. One night we gave her a new…

You might enjoy this similar anecdote from an SSC post.

> The Hair Dryer Incident was probably the biggest dispute I’ve seen in the mental hospital where I work. Most of the time all the psychiatrists get along and have pretty much the same opinion about important things, but people were at each other’s throats about the Hair Dryer Incident.

> Basically, this one obsessive compulsive woman would drive to work every morning and worry she had left the hair dryer on and it was going to burn down her house. So she’d drive back home to check that the hair dryer was off, then drive back to work, then worry that maybe she hadn’t really checked well enough, then drive back, and so on ten or twenty times a day.

> It’s a pretty typical case of obsessive-compulsive disorder, but it was really interfering with her life. She worked some high-powered job – I think a lawyer – and she was constantly late to everything because of this driving back and forth, to the point where her career was in a downspin and she thought she would have to quit and go on disability. She wasn’t able to go out with friends, she wasn’t even able to go to restaurants because she would keep fretting she left the hair dryer on at home and have to rush back. She’d seen countless psychiatrists, psychologists, and counselors, she’d done all sorts of therapy, she’d taken every medication in the book, and none of them had helped.

> So she came to my hospital and was seen by a colleague of mine, who told her “Hey, have you thought about just bringing the hair dryer with you?”

> And it worked.

> She would be driving to work in the morning, and she’d start worrying she’d left the hair dryer on and it was going to burn down her house, and so she’d look at the seat next to her, and there would be the hair dryer, right there. And she only had the one hair dryer, which was now accounted for. So she would let out a sigh of relief and keep driving to work.

It's a great essay overall. Link: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-ma...

Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#123
post #13

Eh, this article was a bit "Reader's Digest". Parent tries to solve problem, gives up and lets fate have its way, problem goes away when parent wasn't looking, parent-child have a moment of trust which reveals that the problem was something simple all along. Life lesson learned. How about when it's not a simple underlying problem ("hands get dry in cold climate")? A speech impediment which is cute in a small kid but…

> A speech impediment which is cute in a small kid but weird in middle school and socially+career-limiting in an adult. Amusingly enough, I had such a thing in elementary and middle school: I couldn't pronounce "r" or "l", but was convinced I was pronouncing them fine. (No one showed me a recording of my speech.) I was sent to speech therapy and learned some alternate way of pronouncing "r", which I almost never carr…

Hang on. You had a temporary dental appliance that was interfering with your speaking, but were diagnosed with speech impediment and sent to therapy?

That just sounds like some sort of oversight.

Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh... I can count on a shop teacher's hand the number of times I was actually spanked or swatted when I was a kid, but after talking to my Mom about it, I think she made the right choice the times she did. To give a specific example, once was when I was about five, I had just learned about electromagnets, and was actively trying to shove bare wire into an outlet. Yes, the spanking did make me a little afraid of pokin…

I used to put pennies in the fuse box as a kid. My mom didn't spank me on that one, but the anger she displayed stopped my childish behavior. By the way, I think we have gone overboard on electrical codes, but not having the fuse box in the bedroom closet is a good one. (Speaking of negative reinforcement, I belive I'm Shadowbanned. I don't care enough to check it out in incognito mode, so down-vote/upvote me please.…

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Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#125
post #84

I tend to think that almost every time someone is doing something you don't understand or don't like, you're better off understanding the reason for the behaviour than trying to quash it. Even if you desperately want it to stop, they're clearly doing the thing as a means to address something so if you want to stop them using the current solution you should have a better solution to hand or the problem will once again…

Choose curiosity and patience over judgement and commands. Such a simple message, and yet in practice it's so easy to fall for the (illusion of?) control, thinking "there's no time for curiosity or patience here."

With a kid kicking and screaming violently at you, that's kinda hard. You are right though. Letting go of the urge to control my older son often helps more than tighten up.

Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#126
post #51

It's so easy for parents (and teachers) to misdiagnose strange child behaviors. TFA is a wonderful example. Parents need to watch for things like blood sugar problems, autism (e.g., failure to make eye contact), skin problems, mild food allergies (why does the kid not like _fill in the blank_, maybe it's because it tastes "spicy" to them), and much else. Young children will not figure these things out by themselves.…

> "It might be interesting to collate a compendium of strange child behaviors with simple explanations, and other problems to watch out for." I couldn't disagree more. This seems like a step in the wrong direction. The last thing we need to do is label even more human behaviors than we already do into the bucket of "strange." Actually, even saying that parents need to "debug" these problems may be going too far. Huma…

I think you misunderstood GP. Knowing the cause of a previously "strange" behavior makes it relatable and discussable. Being able to explain a behavior is beneficial even to kids themselves, because it allows the kid introspection, and, ultimately, a chance to disarm triggers that lead to the behavior. This gives a bit of control back to the kid, as she no longer has to rely on adults to tell her off.

Re: The Hand Licking Incident

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post #37

> Meanwhile, our relationship grew more acrimonious. He clearly no longer trusted me and this was beginning to poison all our interactions. > Finally, I had this moment where I felt that my efforts to ramp up the pressure to force him to stop had crossed some line. I felt I was turning into an abusive parent. #$@#%?!??! What the hell is wrong with this person? It's hand-licking. The child isn't sticking forks in outl…

I remember reading the following observation somewhere. If one says, in abstract, “I do not always manage to do the thing I know is right; I occasionally have moral lapses”, then people will nod knowingly and empathize — they will admit the same about themselves. But if one mentions anything specific — “sometimes I find it hard not to be racist”, “sometimes I hit my child” — then one gets a reaction of “You monster! What the hell is wrong with you?” etc., as here.

And yet I think that, faced as we all are with the task of living according to our values, it is discussions of the latter sort that are more valuable and instructive.

(Recalled where I encountered this: https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-obvious-truths-that-are-... )

Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plug covers you can buy for Hell, my parents also told me when I was ~4 not to stick anything in the electrical outlets. No spankings were involved. I listened because why wouldn't I? (Well, at least until senior year in college, when I was like "What happens if I strip an Ethernet cord and stick it in an electrical outlet?" I'd missed the exploding-wires demonstration in my physics course, y'see. Did not g…

Plug covers are easily and rapidly removed by curious children, and are potentially a choking hazard. Tamper-resistant receptacles, however, do seem to provide a real increase in safety. FWIW. https://www.esfi.org/resource/how-protected-are-children-fro... (These did not exist when I was a child, but had they been available, I'm sure my parents would have used them.) >I listened because why wouldn't I? So did I, abou…

You are arguing that the spanking AFTER you tampered with a wire saved you.

First, you could have died before the spanking. Punishment after the fact never rights a done wrong.

Second, at the age of 4, if your parents had just sat down with you and told you that you can die from electric shock, don't you think that would have made a lasting impression either?

Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#129
The parent may have misdiagnosed their child here. This could be Transient Tic Disorder. It's super common. Kids get random physical/vocal tics, including licking fingers/hands. Usually they just go away with time. Not much you can do and definitely stressing out your child won't help. There's no "reason" for them.

As for why the child said it was because his hands were dry: I hate to say it but maybe the poor kid just wanted to stop their maybe-a-bit-intense parent from "grilling" them about it again.

Re: The Hand Licking Incident

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plug covers you can buy for Hell, my parents also told me when I was ~4 not to stick anything in the electrical outlets. No spankings were involved. I listened because why wouldn't I? (Well, at least until senior year in college, when I was like "What happens if I strip an Ethernet cord and stick it in an electrical outlet?" I'd missed the exploding-wires demonstration in my physics course, y'see. Did not g…

Plug covers are easily and rapidly removed by curious children, and are potentially a choking hazard. Tamper-resistant receptacles, however, do seem to provide a real increase in safety. FWIW. https://www.esfi.org/resource/how-protected-are-children-fro... (These did not exist when I was a child, but had they been available, I'm sure my parents would have used them.) >I listened because why wouldn't I? So did I, abou…

> Plug covers are easily and rapidly removed by curious children, and are potentially a choking hazard.

Ultimately that comes down to the plug design. Schuko sockets (used in most of Europe) are typically indented into the outlet enclosure. This enables IKEA[1] (and others) to make covers that basically can't be removed without tools.

[1]: https://www.ikea.com/se/sv/catalog/products/20098963/

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