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The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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I wonder if the same thing is happening to Apple as happened to Disney - the visionary founder died, and the company slowly lost its way and became a vehicle for corporate profiteering while resting on the laurels of the visionary's pre-existing ideas.

Relevant video, why xerox failed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1rXqD6M614

funny how at the end he says "but that's ancient history, it doesn't really matter any more". Something about history repeating...

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Public stats on android usage per version contradict your theory. In overwhelming huge majority, those phones never get updated, ever. Most people don’t search the web for third party distribution. That’s just what the data shows us.

It doesn't contradict the theory. People can update to a later OS if they want to by visiting XDA. Just because they don't doesn't mean it's not possible.

And people who would do that are a tiny rounding error in comparison to the general market.

For 99%+ of the general market, if the update is not available by clicking update in their phone, it doesn't exist and end of support is when the carrier/OEM stops releasing them.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Oh please. What a red herring. Tantamount to complaining that it doesn’t come in the proper shade of beige. It has no effect on utility. It actually compresses fixed UI elements (tray icons, the clock, status indicators) up into corners. Those fixed elements would otherwise require a solid bar to consume 1/20 of the viewing area, and there’s still the physical camera and speaker to consider. Have fun rationalizing ot…

The counter-question is: is the consumption of that 1/20 viewing area actually of significant impact to the user? With the screens on those models rather large anyway, what of the benefit is significant, given it cuts into speaker location and cuts into the display (so videos etc are restricted anyway)?

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Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Why is Apple diluting their brand? What happened to the simple product line? iPhone X this and iPhone X that is simply bad marketing. Are there product driven people in Apple anymore?

I wonder if the same thing is happening to Apple as happened to Disney - the visionary founder died, and the company slowly lost its way and became a vehicle for corporate profiteering while resting on the laurels of the visionary's pre-existing ideas.

I don't know about Apple, but you are wrong about Disney.

They may have been meandering for a while but over the last decade (and change), current leadership has made three multi-billion dollar visionary acquisitions that turned the company around and brought it back to its roots as a story teller and creator/curator of American pop culture. Financial results followed the vision not the other way around (https://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/).

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Why is Apple diluting their brand? What happened to the simple product line? iPhone X this and iPhone X that is simply bad marketing. Are there product driven people in Apple anymore?

I posted this in another thread, but one thing I think that is hurting the iPhone upgrade cycle is that there are now so many iPhone versions no one can remember which "generation" they all are. Since 2016 we've got iPhone SE, 7, 7 Plus, 8, 8 Plus, X, XS, XS Max, and XR. With so many versions, I think there is less social pressure (internalized or real) to upgrade because it's not like people even really know how old your phone is by looking at it.

Compare this with everything before, where Apple came out with at most 2 versions a year (a cheaper one and a more expensive one, e.g. the 5c/5s or the 6/6 Plus). In its attempts to grab at lots of different price points Apple is losing what differentiated it and made it special in the first place.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Do you want no Face ID or are you just happy to forgo it?

My problem with Face ID is how close I have to be to it to work — when sitting in its cradle on the dashboard, I can't face-unlock.

Mine is sitting in bed, when the phone isn't able to isolate my face from the wall close behind me.

Also, recognizing me without glasses (again bed). I've got an alternate face configured, but bed also means low light, and current FaceID doesn't like thatat all.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Or maybe the Asian market is not riding the display 's notch hype train? They might view the notch + the high price as opposing factors (I once heard a guy say "why would you pay so much for a phone with a screen that's cut on several places?"). Food for thought. I bought the X because I wanted an OLED screen iPhone. And I was digging the less bezels. The notch however is irritating me to this day, 14 months in. And…

I agree. The notch simply does not look premium at all. It's the kind of design decision you would see in lower-end phones as a compromise. The fact that so many Android OEMs followed suit surprised me. The usual chinese iPhone clones going along with it? Sure! But so many 'reputable' companies went for it, it's just incomprehensible. Anecdotally I just can't imagine someone preferring a notch to no notch (as long as…

Anecdotally I prefer the notch to a bezel that would take up the same amount of space.

Vast majority of the time, I don't notice the notch. I like the way the 'done' button floats in the upper real estate when modifying apps (wiggle mode).

I would prefer a phone that's a pure wall-of-glass and manages somehow to also have FaceID, and I'm pretty sure Apple would as well but can't manufacture it.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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post #48

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Oh please. What a red herring. Tantamount to complaining that it doesn’t come in the proper shade of beige. It has no effect on utility. It actually compresses fixed UI elements (tray icons, the clock, status indicators) up into corners. Those fixed elements would otherwise require a solid bar to consume 1/20 of the viewing area, and there’s still the physical camera and speaker to consider. Have fun rationalizing ot…

Just because you come off strong with your counter-opinion doesn't mean you are right. There is definitely credence to the thought that the notch is horrendous. I along with my entire household and most of my coworkers are, anecdotally, another example that won't come close to owning something that decides to cut into the screen. It's just so off-putting. There is no getting used to it. For a phone and company that t…

"There is no getting used to it."

I used to think I'd never want anotched phone. Now I don't even notice it, really. It certainly doesn't put me off.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Or maybe the Asian market is not riding the display 's notch hype train? They might view the notch + the high price as opposing factors (I once heard a guy say "why would you pay so much for a phone with a screen that's cut on several places?"). Food for thought. I bought the X because I wanted an OLED screen iPhone. And I was digging the less bezels. The notch however is irritating me to this day, 14 months in. And…

What notch? I have an X too and seriously I never notice or think about the notch in normal use.

Apple obviously thinks about it because the default wallpaper of the new line renders it invisible on the home screen in ads and display models.

FWIW I prefer a notch to a large upper bezel because it's a tidy way to tuck away my notifications and clock, though I don't love the way iOS does it and I don't love when it when apps go full screen in that area.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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post #94

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I wonder if the same thing is happening to Apple as happened to Disney - the visionary founder died, and the company slowly lost its way and became a vehicle for corporate profiteering while resting on the laurels of the visionary's pre-existing ideas.

I don't know about Apple, but you are wrong about Disney. They may have been meandering for a while but over the last decade (and change), current leadership has made three multi-billion dollar visionary acquisitions that turned the company around and brought it back to its roots as a story teller and creator/curator of American pop culture. Financial results followed the vision not the other way around ( https://www…

Walt Disney died in 1966. I'm assuming the parent poster meant the tougher times Disney faced between then and the start of the Disney Renaissance in the late 80s.
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