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Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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> 99% of HN readers are not representative of the intended general userbase of 99% of the apps for ios/android. Not that I agreed with the website vs. app debate, but with all respect, that "userbase of 99% of the apps" was likely made up by those people who would also begs for bigger keyboard on their phones so they can send SMS a bit faster back in 2006.

This comment implies (like Fords: "If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they'd say better horses") that this 99% of customers are some backwards dwelling people who don't know the way forward (in your example, the no-keyboard touch screen). But webapps are not some novel development they're not aware of. They are what existed before apps and during apps, and exists still, and people still spend most of their…

People will spend their time on anything they feel useful to them, not the "mobile app".

I think you've been mislead by the current situation where everybody is using apps on their phone. But really, the "mobile app" it's just another thing that is attractive to them.

If you lock somebody in a room with only a TV inside, eventually that person will turn on the TV and start watching, even the TV only plays China Central Television channel one (FYI: It's boring like hell).

It's basically the same effect, the only twist here is that people chose to be addicted to their phones.

Don't let that effect blind you :)

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Sure, I was part of a startup designing apps for emerging markets and I understand the restrictions but I think these restrictions changed somewhat for phones bought from 2018 on. I just returned from 2 weeks in India and it was common to see people in the streets with ~$200 phones

Sub $100 phones rule the streets here in Nigeria. In those cases storage is very precious and limited.

The flip side is that people who can only afford sub $100 phones are not as valuable targets to develop apps for.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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> I don't even bother installing apps anymore, I don't have time to research whether or not they are going to abuse my privacy or have some horrendous TOS. I'm going out on a limb but I'd wager you're not exactly representative of the general userbase for which apps are developed.

A few years ago, Flipkart was the leading e-commerce portal in India, and Amazon was a poor third, behind Snapdeal[1]. At some point in March 2015, Flipkart (and their fashion portal, Myntra) decided to go "app-only" on mobile[2], i.e., if you went to their website using a mobile browser, you would get shown a large interstitial to install their app, and nothing else. There was no option to proceed with their mobile…

On a positive note, imo they have the best e-commerce PWA now. I recommend taking a look on mobile.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Work. Slack, texts, calls (could be anyone in my department whose number I don't know), PagerDuty, the random number PagerDuty call from. More of a pain to whitelist than to just avoid random apps with notification.

Good luck, it sounds like a nightmare to be on call all the time.

One week out of five (rotation). Our software has to work (and work well) 24/7/365.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #342

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Here's a tip - take any reddit URL and add '.compact' to the end. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/all/ becomes https://www.reddit.com/r/all/.compact This uses the original reddit mobile site. It is very fast and clean.

At least they are consistent, go to the compact site, giant banner appears: > You've been invited to try out reddit's new mobile website! try reddit's mobile website

Luckily, it's easy to block with AdBlock Plus.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Macro stats about install/uninstall rates of mobile apps are meaningless distractions when you're building a startup. Focus on what your audience needs and build that, whether it's a mobile app or a website.

I built a funny videos android app and website, android users discovered the app more easily and were more engaged with the app because they wanted to share videos from my app to whatsapp.

My more recent app is a web app because my audience are people doing work on their computer.

Audience guides the approach.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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I figure most things don't need an app unless they are trying to take more data anyway. Anything telling me to install an app whose mobile experience is fine already is very fishy to me. I'm looking at you, Reddit.

Reddit lives on ad revenue. Mobile web reddit is not in fact incredibly optimal which is why a bunch of third party apps exist. These third party apps make it impossible to show ads save for promoted posts which people don't seem to like. Thus the official reddit app. I prefer "Reddit is Fun" which seems to load faster than mobile web reddit and notify me on comment replies.

Twitter had this some problem and went with the same solution of cutting out 3rd party apps. This is the age old piracy debate relived. People aren't using 3rd party apps because they want to skip ads, they are using them because they provide better functionality/user experience. Companies stupidly allow a 3rd party to take over all of their market share on mobile, and then make up complaints when they finally get around to making their own app.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Lack of a decent stdlib is a huge one. I would rather opt for Clojurescript or Elm.

Have you recently used Javascript? I ask because it's evolved pretty fast in the last 3 years. Even the past 2 years seem like a blur to me. Before 2015 it was unusable for me for large app development. Typescript evolves just as fast since it's a superset of javascript. 2.x was when it was usable for me. With 3.x, I have even fewer complaints. imo both are improving way faster than I can complain. That said, I still…

Just a few days ago actually, and probably will again later this week. It still lacks a decent stdlib.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #233

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Looks like a mistake, domains are $10/year

Maybe OP meant hosting.

Hi there, apologies for replying to a completely irrelevant thread (HN locks down replies), but was curious if you are planning to Show HN your project [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18611208

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