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Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by srean »

gbear605 wrote: post #116
jplayer01 wrote: post #69

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I'm not confusing anything. Tabs let me switch to different projects incredibly quickly. Bookmarks just don't work.

Bookmarks have a great ux for it: save all open tabs to a bookmark folder, open all bookmarks in a folder

And then what happens to the trajectory of clicks that I followed to land on the page that was open in the tab ?

Rhetorical question of course. With an open tab I have that information and can go back and forth up the path. Its very useful context to have when I revisit the tab. In my line of work I research many things every day. Firefox open tabs have been a godsend. I literally have 900 to 1200 open at any given time

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by srean »

kungtotte wrote: post #74
kccqzy wrote: post #68

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Bookmarks are for things I intend to open regularly. Tabs are for things I opened, decided it's interesting enough not to close, but not so interesting that I need to read it immediately. I have 500 tabs open on my iPhone. It is sort of like a queue of content that I can read when I have excessive free time.

Since you're at 500 items in your queue, something about your workflow is obviously broken. Either you spend too much time looking for new things to add to the queue, too little time processing the queue, both of the above, or you cast too wide a net for what you might possibly read one day.

Judgemental, are we ? 500 would be a low end for me. My avg hovers around 8 to 9 hundred. You probably dont understand his workflow and requirements. Let me guess they are likely different from yours.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by kungtotte »

srean wrote: post #142
kungtotte wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you're at 500 items in your queue, something about your workflow is obviously broken. Either you spend too much time looking for new things to add to the queue, too little time processing the queue, both of the above, or you cast too wide a net for what you might possibly read one day.

Judgemental, are we ? 500 would be a low end for me. My avg hovers around 8 to 9 hundred. You probably dont understand his workflow and requirements. Let me guess they are likely different from yours.

800 to 900 unprocessed items in your incoming queue of items you want to read/view?

If you can knock one off every day you've got two and a half year's worth of items in your queue that you haven't even looked at yet? This is on top of all the things you are already consuming as part of your work or for leisure and at the same time assuming you don't add more things to the queue.

That's madness, and I don't care if you call me judgmental.

It is unreasonable to have that many items in your to-read queue. Stop adding things or start reading things faster (or better yet, both!)

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by srean »

kungtotte wrote: post #143
srean wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judgemental, are we ? 500 would be a low end for me. My avg hovers around 8 to 9 hundred. You probably dont understand his workflow and requirements. Let me guess they are likely different from yours.

800 to 900 unprocessed items in your incoming queue of items you want to read/view? If you can knock one off every day you've got two and a half year's worth of items in your queue that you haven't even looked at yet? This is on top of all the things you are already consuming as part of your work or for leisure and at the same time assuming you don't add more things to the queue. That's madness, and I don't care if y…

Well I knock off a more than one. You do realize that length of a queue may be totally orthogonal to throughput.

And oh I sure have looked at them, but havent grokked them. Once I do that or I come back to them again and again then they get bumped to a bookmark. Lets say they are part of my job and leisure, sometimes I lose track which is which.

Think generational garbage collection. Tabs and bookmarks are the different generations. I still like tabs better as they preserve more context.

Btw some jobs require more researching than others. Regarding "madness" yes I agree.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by RaptorJ »

nneonneo wrote: post #3

I use TST extensively to manage hundreds of tabs, and it is a real joy. FWIW, these are the customizations that made TST much more usable for me: 1) Very importantly, hide the horizontal tab bar. You get some vertical screen space back, and you aren't distracted by two ways of showing the same tabs. You'll have to edit your userChrome.css (see e.g. http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserChrome.css&pri... for d…

I wonder if anyone might have a hint on how I could create a certain behavior for TST.

Generally, I want the TST sidebar to be full width (~250 px) so I can read all the open tabs at once. But when I have several windows open on my screen, the TST bar can take up too much of the window and reduces usability. I'd like to have the TST sidebar to auto-collapse (so it expands on mouse-over) when the firefox window is less than (say) 500 px wide/50% of the screen width.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by darkpuma »

jplayer01 wrote: post #66
nneonneo wrote: post #3

I use TST extensively to manage hundreds of tabs, and it is a real joy. FWIW, these are the customizations that made TST much more usable for me: 1) Very importantly, hide the horizontal tab bar. You get some vertical screen space back, and you aren't distracted by two ways of showing the same tabs. You'll have to edit your userChrome.css (see e.g. http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserChrome.css&pri... for d…

I really wouldn't do this. The add-on bugs out for me fairly regularly and doesn't let me interact with the tabs (like closing them). Still, I can't imagine using a browser without vertical tabs ever again.

This happens to me too. TST seems to currently be riddled with all kinds of unusual bugs that only crop up occasionally. Workarounds: Sometimes keyboard shortcuts still work when mouse interaction doesn't. Other times closing then opening the side panel again causes TST to stabilize it's state.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by darkpuma »

petepete wrote: post #28
gbear605 wrote: post #20

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I also work in this way. I use tabs as my “working memory” for whatever my current project is. Having fewer tabs helps keep me on track working on a single topic. When I’m done with that task, it helps me transition by having closed all the tabs. When I want to save pages in the long term, I use bookmarks.

It's odd that so many people confuse the roles of tabs and bookmarks. Perhaps it's a sign that the bookmark UX isn't good (or prevalent) enough. I generally have four pinned tabs open for email, Slack and Trello, plus another five related to what I'm working on.

The UX of bookmarks is far less ephemeral than the UX of tabs. I rarely go above 30 or 40 tabs in TST, and those tabs almost never live longer than a day, with one or two exceptions that I use several times a day every day.

Adding and deleting bookmarks at this frequency would be a massive hassle.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by agumonkey »

ttsda wrote: post #140
agumonkey wrote: post #137

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I recently realized that chromium is a memory hog, with 50 tabs most of my ram (8G) is gone; while firefor nightly is around 1G, 1.5G maybe with a similar load. I guess this is gonna shrink memory usage even more.

It does seem to use more memory, but at least on my Mac it uses a lot less CPU. For firefox it just takes one bad tab (gmaps, gmail, facebook, youtube/embedded youtube) to grind the whole system to a halt, all these things work fine on chrome, and use almost no CPU on safari.

I'm having issues with cpu usage, it's not binary, but very often some subprocess runs at 20-40% cpu usage even when nothing visible occurs. what a joy

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by darkpuma »

TylerE wrote: post #12
gamma-male wrote: post #7

I don’t understand how people browse the web without this extension. That’s the number one reason chrome is not usable for power users. I’m also wondering why this is not natively supported by both firefox and chrome.

and I don't understand how people have more than about 10 tabs and stay sane. Do you people like... not use bookmarks at all? Heck, most of the sites I visit on anything like a regular basis I only need to type in the first letter or two and they auto-complete.

> "I don't understand how people have more than about 10 tabs and stay sane. Do you people like... not use bookmarks at all?"

That's a weird assumption, I have several hundred bookmarks. Bookmarks and tabs have different UX and fill different roles. That's why you use 10 tabs and bookmarks, instead of 1 tab and bookmarks. That's why I use 30-40 tabs and bookmarks.

Re: Tree Style Tabs

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Post by andrewaylett »

addicted wrote: post #91
keypress wrote: post #86

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Certainly alarming to see. Mine build up, I keep them for a few weeks, bookmark a few, and burn the lot periodically - which suggests I shouldn't have bothered with them in the first place. My bookmarks are dumped in a large pile to be one day sorted out. I have hundreds of them. And rather annoyingly are there now with forgotten context. I can't even access the creation dates on Chrome/ium unless I export and data w…

What vertical tabs allow you to do is forgo tab management all together. With vertical tabs, you never really close a tab, but instead, you keep working on the small subset of tabs you opened most recently. Because they are in a vertical space, even though you have a hundred tabs open, the titles of the 5 or so tabs you are working on are as easily visible as they would be if they were the only open tabs. OTOH, with…

Firefox doesn't behave as you've described -- I've got 27 tabs opened at the moment (probably the lowest count for months) and only 22 are on-screen, the rest have scrolled off to the left. All have enough context left in them for me to be fairly sure what they are. And if I do want to look at them all, there's a handy drop-down to the right of the tab bar which will show them all in a vertical list. Although I often have enough tabs open to need to scroll that list...

That's Firefox, and while I've got plenty of extensions, none are affecting my tab behaviour.

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