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Re: Someone is trying to steal archive.is's domain

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Post by testplzignore »

linkmotif wrote: post #27

Could someone please explain this? What is going on? Either you hack a domain or you don’t—but once the owner finds out, shouldn’t they be able to verify that it’s locked down. How can someone steal a domain, permanently, and trade with it. Can this happen at any TLD or is .is just negligent/apathetic? Why would I ever buy a .is domain if the TLD lets people steal it? I don’t understand...

Since the Twitter account has provided no useful details, I'm going to blindly speculate.

My guess is that they are using a virtual business address service that is commonly used by spam/fraud organizations (e.g., fake pharmaceuticals), and maybe ISNIC is cracking down on this due to abuse. They don't want their TLD to be known as a junk TLD like .ck, .gq, .info, etc. Or someone is attempting to take legal action against the owner of the domain and ISNIC can't comply because they just have a fake address with no known physical entity.

Re: Someone is trying to steal archive.is's domain

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Post by troquerre »

kaffee wrote: post #10
cpach wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to worry. They have other domains too, as stated in the Twitter thread: .TODAY .FO .LI .VN .MD .PH

I'm not sure the existence of alternatives, advertised through Twitter, is much of a comfort here. The integrity of the domain name system shouldn't depend on someone having a well-known twitter account that can advertise alternatives in the event of a hostile takeover.

The integrity of DNS shouldn’t depend on someone having a well-known twitter account but unfortunately DNS is a poorly designed system and this kind of thing happens all the time. Just a few months ago Zoho’s registrar blocked their domain because of just two customer complaints, even though Zoho has tens of millions of paying customers. https://twitter.com/zoho/status/1044249648993525760?s=21

Disclaimer: building https://namebase.io which is a registrar for seizure-resistant names on the Handshake blockchain.

Re: Someone is trying to steal archive.is's domain

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Post by troquerre »

Just a few months ago Zoho’s registrar blocked their domain because of just two customer complaints, even though Zoho has tens of millions of paying customers. https://twitter.com/zoho/status/1044249648993525760?s=21

DNS wasn’t built to support the growth it has experienced. Both it’s security model (Certificate Authorities)and governance model (ICANN) are highly flawed. The internet needs to switch to a better system as it becomes an increasingly important part of our lives.

Disclosure: building https://namebase.io which is a registrar for seizure-resistant domain names on the Handshake blockchain.

Re: Someone is trying to steal archive.is's domain

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Post by lilyball »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #40
lilyball wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't really justify the decision to continue publishing private information. Just because someone somewhere may have access to it doesn't mean you need to make it easier for everyone to have access to it.

The point is so that anything that is available to anyone, is available to anyone else. It might have been unfortunate for some things to have ben made public in the first place, but once it's done, there is no value in letting just some people still know the truth while everyone else is subject to manipulation by a few who know some truth. It's about equalizing the power to harm and the power to defend against harm.…

> there is no value in letting just some people still know the truth while everyone else is subject to manipulation by a few who know some truth.

Just because my SSN got leaked to a few people doesn't mean it needs to be leaked to the world. Most people aren't going to take advantage of my SSN, so having it leaked to a few arbitrary people is a relatively minor risk. And if it does get abused, there's a very small pool of suspects. Having my SSN get publicly broadcast to the world pretty much guarantees I'll be plagued by identity theft forever and gives me no suspects when it happens.

Same goes for plenty of other private information. Just because it's leaked to some people doesn't remotely justify giving it to the whole world.

> The reason to preserve and re-publish something that was once known, is so that no single party gets to use it, or use it's absense, against everyone else.

We're not talking about secret cheat codes that give the owner power over everyone else. We're talking about private information. If a "single party" has my private information, they have power over me, but that doesn't give them power over anyone else. In this scenario your argument seems to be "if one person has power over me, that's unfair to everyone else who doesn't, so they should be given the same power over me as well", which is of course complete nonsense.

Re: Someone is trying to steal archive.is's domain

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Post by stordoff »

reaperducer wrote: post #19
samstave wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question, in that thread some guy is attempting to have an old blog with his face pic deleted... id suport that. But then if some other news or political or corporate arm was seeking to get something deleted to prevent them from looking bad, then im against it... So what is the middle ground here, or how should one view this dilema?

You can't un-ring a bell.

You can stop ringing it.

Re: Someone is trying to steal archive.is's domain

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Post by stordoff »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #40
lilyball wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't really justify the decision to continue publishing private information. Just because someone somewhere may have access to it doesn't mean you need to make it easier for everyone to have access to it.

The point is so that anything that is available to anyone, is available to anyone else. It might have been unfortunate for some things to have ben made public in the first place, but once it's done, there is no value in letting just some people still know the truth while everyone else is subject to manipulation by a few who know some truth. It's about equalizing the power to harm and the power to defend against harm.…

> The reason to preserve and re-publish something that was once known, is so that no single party gets to use it, or use it's absense, against everyone else.

I don't understand this argument. If, say, my credit card information is published, it can only be used to harm me. Removing it causes no harm to anyone else, so leaving it published _only_ causes more harm.

Re: Someone is trying to steal archive.is's domain

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Post by bitwize »

cazum wrote: post #28
bitwize wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like someone really wants to push the narrative that, say, Zoe Quinn is a genius game designer and an innocent victim of targeted harassment, not a horrid person who herself organized harassment mobs against people she disagreed with -- and is running into the problem of all that pesky evidence to the contrary getting in the way.

There are many more obvious reasons why someone might want to seize an archive domain without needing to delve into ridiculous gamer gate conspiracy theories. Besides, stealing the domain doesn't delete any content on the servers.

The best information about Zoe Quinn is on Kiwi Farms, where the posters tend not to take sides in GG -- and they use archive.is extensively. It doesn't have to be Zoe specifically -- KF is full of profiles on people who would really rather not have their public internet activity preserved because it's so damning. Stealing the domain wouldn't make the content go away, but it would invalidate all the links which have been already posted.

Re: Someone is trying to steal archive.is's domain

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Post by cazum »

bitwize wrote: post #47
cazum wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many more obvious reasons why someone might want to seize an archive domain without needing to delve into ridiculous gamer gate conspiracy theories. Besides, stealing the domain doesn't delete any content on the servers.

The best information about Zoe Quinn is on Kiwi Farms, where the posters tend not to take sides in GG -- and they use archive.is extensively. It doesn't have to be Zoe specifically -- KF is full of profiles on people who would really rather not have their public internet activity preserved because it's so damning. Stealing the domain wouldn't make the content go away, but it would invalidate all the links which have…

A single line unix command run on KiwiFarm's servers could replace every instance of "archive.is" with "archive.today" in posts. Nobody is going to attempt a high profile take over like this for something that can be circumvented in minutes by a half-asleep sysadmin.

Also, for anyone not aware KiwiFarms is a notoriously shitty forum that publically stalk, dox, slander and harass people online.

If you need evidence, just go read the forum post and kf wiki page about her. They repeatedly make unsourced claims, insults, editorial opinions about her motives, wild speculations and just outright lies. At one point the wiki diagnoses her with BPD without evidence. The title on the forum post about her calls her a "Cunt". She's constantly called a con artist without evidence, and is repeatedly accused of somehow forcing bored white teenage boys to harass her for years by "baiting her own harassment"

At best, it's unjournalistic garbage and at worst it's actual gang stalking.

I don't know you personally, bitwize, but I know you're better than this trash.

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