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Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#51

Jokes on them, I have electrical tape on my camera lens. Something I learned from Facebook's CEO, ironically.

The image that's gathered when the camera is completely in the dark, is a unique fingerprint of the camera chip. This is something called "fixed pattern noise."

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#52
post #6

by comparing the accelerometer and gyroscope readings of each phone, the data could identify when people were facing each other or walking together. More evidence we need far more privacy controls in mobile operating systems.

This is really easy to do.

At a hackathon in 2012 our team in just a few hours built tech that would detect who you were standing next to or walking past, all while your phone is in your pocket - we were trying to build a tool that would replace exchanging business cards at conferences.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#54
post #13

This is smart. Unethical, but smart.

Indeed. I'm wishing for a "dumb" social networking company, where the people who run it are idiots and I don't have to worry about this kind of invasive engineering (I long ago deleted my Facebook). There's always twitter, I suppose.

Can we not have smart ethical people? When did getting away with unethical or unlawful behavior become associated with “smart?”

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#55

Jokes on them, I have electrical tape on my camera lens. Something I learned from Facebook's CEO, ironically.

The image that's gathered when the camera is completely in the dark, is a unique fingerprint of the camera chip. This is something called "fixed pattern noise."

In that case just put on a few more layers. Shot noise is fairly random.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. I'm wishing for a "dumb" social networking company, where the people who run it are idiots and I don't have to worry about this kind of invasive engineering (I long ago deleted my Facebook). There's always twitter, I suppose.

Can we not have smart ethical people? When did getting away with unethical or unlawful behavior become associated with “smart?”

Seems pretty rare. Most people want the money and prestige that comes from working for Facebook or Google. It's easy to be a rebel when you've got nothing to lose.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#57
post #6

by comparing the accelerometer and gyroscope readings of each phone, the data could identify when people were facing each other or walking together. More evidence we need far more privacy controls in mobile operating systems.

This is really easy to do. At a hackathon in 2012 our team in just a few hours built tech that would detect who you were standing next to or walking past, all while your phone is in your pocket - we were trying to build a tool that would replace exchanging business cards at conferences.

Can you go into more detail with how that worked?

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is rather amazing that smartphone cameras are so feature packed, yet still lack a lens cover. Something as old as cameras themselves.

Old cameras didn't exactly fit in your pocket, and didn't have sapphire glass... Though I do think it would be nice to have a hardware (iris?) way to close off the camera. Some laptops have this, though I'm sad mine doesn't.

“Is that a Hasselblad in your pocket, or are just having a really bad day?”

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

#59
post #9

I'm not really sure if that's a scary facebook thing or merely just an inconvenient reality of the world we live in now. There's quite a few papers out on fingerprinting/identifying cameras from images taken with them using intrinsics (dust, scratches, slight offset of image sensor with respect to lens).

Reminds me of some side passages in Cryptonomicon which talk about how a clever person could extract so much information from side channels.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The image that's gathered when the camera is completely in the dark, is a unique fingerprint of the camera chip. This is something called "fixed pattern noise."

In that case just put on a few more layers. Shot noise is fairly random.

True. But if you share enough images from the same chip, eventually the fixed pattern noise can be computed to a decent enough accuracy to use it as a fingerprint. Now, you could measure the fixed pattern noise and subtract it from subsequent images. This is a widespread practice in scientific imaging. I'm not devious enough to think of how this could be defeated by someone who really wants to use your camera chip as a fingerprint, but it might be enough to defeat an amateur.
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