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Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Unless I absolutely have to have the app (work or something), I avoid it. Webpage any day. It wont bug me in the middle of the night. 3AM. Sleeping Phone: BING!!! Me: *groggy* shit, hope everything is ok... Me: *picks up phone* Phone: Rayman Adventures has updated! Me: *uninstalls Rayman Adventures, angrily goes back to sleep*

Not to sound condescending but why would you have your notifications on at night? 10pm-7:30am do not disturb has been a godsend.

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Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Not to sound condescending but why would you have your notifications on at night? 10pm-7:30am do not disturb has been a godsend.

Work. Slack, texts, calls (could be anyone in my department whose number I don't know), PagerDuty, the random number PagerDuty call from. More of a pain to whitelist than to just avoid random apps with notification.

Good luck, it sounds like a nightmare to be on call all the time.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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I'm gonna play devils advocate here and say web apps aren't as pleasant to use on mobile phones as mobile apps and that's why mobile apps are still a thing. I'm especially looking at things like touch gestures and native integrations (launcher icons, notifications, "share with" providers, maybe even a home screen widget). I know PWAs are a thing but afaik they don't solve all of the above problems or don't solve them…

Try https://usebx.com/app - we built it 2 years ago. It's a PWA, and our users find it better than many native alternatives. I think it's all in the execution really.

Beautiful app. Do you have a blog post about the development details like tech stack, etc?

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Try https://usebx.com/app - we built it 2 years ago. It's a PWA, and our users find it better than many native alternatives. I think it's all in the execution really.

Beautiful app. Do you have a blog post about the development details like tech stack, etc?

Thank you :)

Not currently, but it's not a bad idea to write something. As soon as I get a spare few hours, I will put something together. Feel free to drop me an email (see profile) and I'll notify you when it's done.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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I'd wager you are not a great representation of the market that 99% of apps serve. Apps abuse those features because it works well for their business.

> I'd wager you are not a great representation of the market that 99% of apps serve I'd wager no one is. Snapchat has 200 million users. There's some 4 billion people on the internet. Niches are niches, and no one serves everyone.

I wish "no one" was my customer then I could get a $40B IPO serving everyone :)

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Yup. It's frustrating. One benefit of switching to mail on my own domain (powered by FastMail at the moment) is that instead of username@mydomain, I can also use antispamlabel@username.mydomain. Which is hopefully less common and too dangerous to automatically filter out in "data cleaning".

Man I so want to do that, but the pricing just seems outrageous at minimum $3/user/month, standard $5/user/month. I've been wanting to hack together some scripts to use a serverless cloud provider like SES. Since I rarely check my email and almost never send any, it's crazy to pay such a high monthly fee.

Register a domain name with mail forwarding and use wildcard aliases to forward all mail on your domain to your real mailbox.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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How many websites ever get passed the signup stage? I often will leave as soon as I'm tasked with creating an account and I'm not likely to come back.

What is especially frustrating that many sites don’t allow Mailinator and other similar ‘one-time’ email systems to be used for registering an account. No way I am going to give you my email address up front before seeing the product. Now the solution is of course to have a separate gmail account to register. Most sites still allow user+site@gmail.com address syntax so that I can sometimes see who are leaking where.…

Your email is public, there's no gain in keeping it secret.

For further reading: https://www.troyhunt.com/im-sorry-but-your-email-address-is-...

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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80% of apps are uninstalled in the first 10min (especially if they ask for information or creating an account). Once uninstalled very unlikely they will ever install again. In my dev shop, I always advise clients to look into website MVP over apps unless IT IS CRITICAL to the functionality. Websites can always bring back ppl who were initially uninterested. Faster development/instant updates. Better tracking and UX a…

> Faster development/instant updates. Better tracking and UX anazyling. That’s a horrible argument in my opinion. Yes, it is more convenient from a developer’s or a business point of view. But what if the user sees more value in an app than a website, shouldn’t that be the first thing to consider?

I think it's more of an added benefit to building a website first. Especially when trying to validate new ideas which is where the better tracking / UX analysis comes into play.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Man I so want to do that, but the pricing just seems outrageous at minimum $3/user/month, standard $5/user/month. I've been wanting to hack together some scripts to use a serverless cloud provider like SES. Since I rarely check my email and almost never send any, it's crazy to pay such a high monthly fee.

I use mailgun to forward mails incoming on my domain to my usual web mail accounts. Free tier is more than enough, since i don't expect hundreds of mails per day. Sending is a bit painful, though. Also sometimes mails fail to be forwarded and get stuck for a while... annoying when you're waiting for some kind of link / code.

If you get a lot of spam and it's all forwarded than some providers like Gmail will treat your email address as the source of the spam rather than the original sender.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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The question is not whether or not HN users' decision processes aare representative, but whether or not the end results are. App adoption and use, overall, is low. Consumers Spend 85% Of Time On Smartphones In Apps, But Only 5 Apps See Heavy Use https://techcrunch.com/2015/06/22/consumers-spend-85-of-time... App Download and Usage Statistics (2018) The total number of mobile app downloads in 2017 – 197 billion (a for…

The more time I spend working with studies and research data, the more I'm starting to realize that a lot of it [numbers] is complete and utter nonsense. 197 billion app downloads? You don't have to be a researcher to know that the number is a "little" far-fetched. And maybe I'm delusional to the fact that might be possible. After all, I have only ever used Android and only with the default apps it comes packaged wit…

Every update to an app also counts as a new download.
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