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Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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Beyond the whole foss aspect, there are good technical reasons too. For instance, blob won't work with wayland (at least right now AFAIK), and ubuntu was (is) debating switching to wayland as default.

My impression was that the 17.10 Weyland stuff was kind of a mess so the switch is probably premature at this point.

Fedora is Wayland-by-default for several releases already.

Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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From: Drew DeVault To: graphics-dev@chromium.org Subject: nouveau blacklisted in Chromium I'm writing to complain regarding the decision to blacklist nouveau in Chromium. You're creating a hostile relationship with one of the most important projects on Linux. If you do anything about this problem, you should be using your influence to pressure Nvidia into being a better citizen on Linux. Hell, you could even sponsor…

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Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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The VESA driver?

How does llvmpipe do these days? I remember being excited about it ~5 years ago and I can only imagine both LLVM performance and CPU speeds have gone up.

llvmpipe is the gpu part, not the display part of the graphic card.

Otherwise, when using it in KVM VM, it can run the desktop compositor quite nicely.

Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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For anyone interested, the link really should be the full bug report: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=876523 The current link says it as if Chrome was not being fair, but reading their reasoning it makes total sense. Key quote from said bug report: > We thought about blacklisting nouveau driver long time ago, and decided to let more adventurous users to play around. Now that Ubuntu ships with no…

Chrome without acceleration == one very hot laptop in many cases (ie watching videos on YouTube).

Chrome without acceleration ~~ Firefox without acceleration. I don't think Firefox is enabling hardware video decoding in Linux, even on a fully-free driver?

Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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#year-of-the-linux-desktop On a more serious note what is the motivation for Nouveau? The drivers provided by Nvidia are not good enough or we just need an opensource alternative?

lets see there is wayland. The peopitery drivers do not work with that. Moreover there are issues.

Further, its not open source the nvidia drivers. Although, I dont understand why anyone would buy hardware from nividia and feel good about it

Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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From: Drew DeVault To: graphics-dev@chromium.org Subject: nouveau blacklisted in Chromium I'm writing to complain regarding the decision to blacklist nouveau in Chromium. You're creating a hostile relationship with one of the most important projects on Linux. If you do anything about this problem, you should be using your influence to pressure Nvidia into being a better citizen on Linux. Hell, you could even sponsor…

> If you do anything about this problem, you should be using your influence to pressure Nvidia into being a better citizen on Linux. By making Chrome significantly slower on nvidia systems they effectively are pressurizing nvida to act better. Trying to work around the problems would be more like supporting the status quo instead of driving change.

That would be true only if they weren't rewarding the proprietary driver. If their goal was to pressure Nvidia into being a better player in FOSS they'd disable GPU accelleration on the proprietary driver.

Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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#year-of-the-linux-desktop On a more serious note what is the motivation for Nouveau? The drivers provided by Nvidia are not good enough or we just need an opensource alternative?

1. Lacking support for old GPUs in a maintained driver. nvidia drivers approach for old gpu is "use an old driver" for cards as recent as the 6xx.

2. People like to run fully open source systems

3. Adding support for things like kms and wayland are really up to the whims of nVidia as to when it happens with the closed driver, while an open driver is more likely to do so (or at least can be forked to do so). In the past features like config-less X were also much later coming to nvidia drivers which made it harder for people to get started on Linux.

Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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Nouveau are doing their best to reverse-engineer cards. NVIDIA doesn't help at all, not providing any docs and not interacting with the rest of the community. On the other hand, Intel and AMD have high-quality drivers and are part of the open-source community.

Nvidia is already helping the Nouveau maintainers by not suing them for all they are worth.

Re: Chromium blacklists Nouveau

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#year-of-the-linux-desktop On a more serious note what is the motivation for Nouveau? The drivers provided by Nvidia are not good enough or we just need an opensource alternative?

We have Thinkpad Linux laptops running with NVidia at work. The proprietary driver has quality issues, the biggest of which for us is power management and poor battery life. Nouveau performs much better in this regard, even though they had to reverse engineer the hardware (!) I will be advising my IT department not to continue to buy NVidia.
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