HelenOS 0.8

#1

Post by return_0e » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 6:07 PM UTC

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#2

Post by ianai » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

I like the concept. It sounds like a modern take on some of the plan9 ideas. Decoupling of system components into components that work together through a message passing framework.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#3

Post by jpm_sd » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 6:51 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #2

I like the concept. It sounds like a modern take on some of the plan9 ideas. Decoupling of system components into components that work together through a message passing framework.

Sounds a bit like QNX actually

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#4

Post by jayalpha » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 7:07 PM UTC

Lot of new stuff coming up. Also see:

https://harvey-os.org/

https://www.redox-os.org/

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#5

Post by jacques_chester » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 7:10 PM UTC

For those who, like me, wondered "what's HelenOS?" and got little idea from release notes: http://www.helenos.org/wiki/About

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#6

Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

jacques_chester wrote: post #5

For those who, like me, wondered "what's HelenOS?" and got little idea from release notes: http://www.helenos.org/wiki/About

Unfortunately, http://www.helenos.org/wiki/DiffFromUnix presents it as different enough to make porting software difficult. On the other hand, they say they've got GCC and Python, so it's doable.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#7

Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 8:14 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #6

jacques_chester wrote: post #5

For those who, like me, wondered "what's HelenOS?" and got little idea from release notes: http://www.helenos.org/wiki/About

Unfortunately, http://www.helenos.org/wiki/DiffFromUnix presents it as different enough to make porting software difficult. On the other hand, they say they've got GCC and Python, so it's doable.

It it wasn't different enough to make porting software difficult, it probably wouldn't be different enough to bother making.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#8

Post by toyg » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

jacques_chester wrote: post #5

For those who, like me, wondered "what's HelenOS?" and got little idea from release notes: http://www.helenos.org/wiki/About

Note the following, from the FAQ page (http://www.helenos.org/wiki/FAQ#WhatisHelenOSusedfor):

"At this point we don't consider HelenOS usable for something different than development and research, but we're getting very close to the point where it will be usable for something really practical."

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#9

Post by karmakaze » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 8:44 PM UTC

Is there a 'distrowatch' for OSes other than Linux/BSD-based? I can't keep up with them all anymore.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#10

Post by asveikau » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 8:51 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #6

jacques_chester wrote: post #5

For those who, like me, wondered "what's HelenOS?" and got little idea from release notes: http://www.helenos.org/wiki/About

Unfortunately, http://www.helenos.org/wiki/DiffFromUnix presents it as different enough to make porting software difficult. On the other hand, they say they've got GCC and Python, so it's doable.

I am frankly not very impressed with a quick glance at the networking API. What they show would not be difficult to implement as a library atop sockets, and I'm not convinced their callbacks capture the full flexibility of the old APIs. Meanwhile not providing at least a wrapper to handle the most simple socket scenarios to aid in porting strikes me as a bit stubborn. They determined a priori to hate sockets and that's it.