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Toxicity of cigarette butts, and their chemical components, to marine and freshwater fish[1]
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Everybody knows who the smokers are, even if they don't witness them smoking, so this old selection bias argument doesn't apply. (It's because smokers universally reek.)
Are you saying it’s inconsiderate for people to not smell how you want them to smell? I don’t think I have any right to expect other people to smell a certain way or to not have a detectable smell, barring obvious extreme cases of avoidable bad hygiene.
That's not what I was saying, but actually that's also true. Good point. Smelling like a smoker is itself inconsiderate behavior.
What I was actually saying is that smokers are generally inconsiderate people. This can be generally observed by interacting with the general public and noticing that people who smell like smokers are almost always inconsiderate people. You don't need to witness an inconsiderate person smoking to know they're a smoker, because the human nose can detect smokers easily. And just so we're clear, not all inconsiderate people are smokers, but very nearly all smokers are inconsiderate.
Now that I think about this more, there is a plausible relationship here: everybody knows that smoking makes you smell awful, so only people who are inclined towards being inconsiderate will pick up the habit.
> "right"
In most free countries, it is your right to be inconsiderate. It's not the right of any smoker to be free of criticism.
But last week it was fishing gear. Although, it's bullshit that so many smokers think it's perfectly OK to throw their butts just about anywhere.
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Are you saying it’s inconsiderate for people to not smell how you want them to smell? I don’t think I have any right to expect other people to smell a certain way or to not have a detectable smell, barring obvious extreme cases of avoidable bad hygiene.
You know that smell is literally fumes that cause cancer, right? Any nobody said it was infringing on any rights - we said it was inconsiderate.
I didn’t use the word “right” to imply that any rights were being violated. I used it to claim what I believe to be reasonable expectations for other people’s behavior, which seems like a natural definition for what behavior is “inconsiderate.”
Only tangentially related, but I am continually astonished by the absence of any sort of social norms surrounding cigarette butt disposal. I have (otherwise environmentally conscious!) friends who smoke, and I've personally witnessed them flick their cigarettes into gutters and on streets. As a serious question, without judgment: are there any smokers on HN who can explain the phenomenon?
A fellow student, now leading IT department in a European airport, was visiting me and we were chatting outdoor, just nearby the little shop I was in to cash.
And then he lights a cig. I asked him if he was ok doing that in a gas station, and he responds me something like well, we are far enough (and that was true, but still)
And when he finished it, he dropped it on the ground and scratch it with is foot :
« You know I’m the one who’ll have to pick it to trash it, and then have to clean the black mark it leaved on the white cement, do you ? »
« Oops, sorry »
He is a person I respect for a lot of things, and one of the last friend from my student time.
But his smoking M.Hyde side never stops to puzzle me.
But last week it was fishing gear. Although, it's bullshit that so many smokers think it's perfectly OK to throw their butts just about anywhere.
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You know that smell is literally fumes that cause cancer, right? Any nobody said it was infringing on any rights - we said it was inconsiderate.
I’m sure there is some cancer risk from simply smelling the clothes of a smoker, but I would need to see some research of the magnitude of the risk. I would be shocked if it’s enough to even be measurable. I didn’t use the word “right” to imply that any rights were being violated. I used it to claim what I believe to be reasonable expectations for other people’s behavior, which seems like a natural definition for wha…
Smokers are inconsiderate because they thoughtlessly cause harm or inconvenience to others by smelling offensive. They brush off the objections of all non-smokers and tell the rest of the world to fuck off because they selfishly prefer smoking to not causing olfactory offense.
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Are you saying it’s inconsiderate for people to not smell how you want them to smell? I don’t think I have any right to expect other people to smell a certain way or to not have a detectable smell, barring obvious extreme cases of avoidable bad hygiene.
> "Are you saying it’s inconsiderate for people to not smell how you want them to smell?" That's not what I was saying, but actually that's also true. Good point. Smelling like a smoker is itself inconsiderate behavior. What I was actually saying is that smokers are generally inconsiderate people. This can be generally observed by interacting with the general public and noticing that people who smell like smokers are…
I will straight up disagree with you there, and we can probably avoid a semantic argument over what “inconsiderate” means and just call it a day. In summary, I think “inconsiderate” ought only apply to behaviors that sufficiently violate the expectations of society, or in other words, just because you don’t like a behavior does not mean that behavior is inconsiderate.
The rest of your comment is fairly ridiculous. Surely you haven’t actually counted every smoker you have met. It’s much more likely that you are simply disproportionately noticing smokers who are bothering you.
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I’m sure there is some cancer risk from simply smelling the clothes of a smoker, but I would need to see some research of the magnitude of the risk. I would be shocked if it’s enough to even be measurable. I didn’t use the word “right” to imply that any rights were being violated. I used it to claim what I believe to be reasonable expectations for other people’s behavior, which seems like a natural definition for wha…
> inconsiderate: thoughtlessly causing hurt or inconvenience to others. Smokers are inconsiderate because they thoughtlessly cause harm or inconvenience to others by smelling offensive. They brush off the objections of all non-smokers and tell the rest of the world to fuck off because they selfishly prefer smoking to not causing olfactory offense.