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Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #137

I don't even bother installing apps anymore, I don't have time to research whether or not they are going to abuse my privacy or have some horrendous TOS. I got my core 10 apps and haven't bought a new one in a year.

> I don't have time to research whether or not they are going to abuse my privacy or have some horrendous TOS.

Do you think that web apps are better in that regard?

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Don't forget that clients always get the lastest updated version of the app. I mean, I remember that everytime you decide to change something on the API, things go really bad because of the old versions and people just give you negative feedback because they didn't update the app. You have to be extremely cautious.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a user notifications are a problem, but as an app developer... So do you develop apps but not use them? I can't think of a way the hypocrisy isn't shocking here. "Do unto others" and all that.

I’ve developed software all of my career that I personally have no use for. I develop software to pay my bills. We are talking about notifications, not killing puppies.

We're not talking about whether or not you are killing puppies -- I don't think you're a sadist. Just "make stuff you would want to use." Or "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Or, if you prefer, "act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law."

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #14

IMHO, the reasons mentioned are not very convincing. Your goal, when starting a product, is to find whether you serve a real user need or not. So, start with a website or a mobile app depending on what suits your users needs better. Where would a user naturally go (web or mobile) for that need? That's the platform you start with.

It takes longer to get to market with an app, especially if its your first. No contact with users == death.

But you also only get really once chance that with that user. Give them a crappy experience and they'll never come back. A web app is already starting at -100 points.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #99
post #65

"No one wants to download apps anymore" I stopped reading there. The major advantage of the App Store (primarily for consumer apps though) is the fact that there's some kind of filtering at place. If I find a quality app, I want to actually pay for it. In fact, if it's a good app - then I prefer to pay, as it often ensures some kind of continuity in the app's lifecycle.

> The major advantage of the App Store (primarily for consumer apps though) is the fact that there's some kind of filtering at place. Hah. Maybe when nearly every app doesn't have a dozen trackers pinging off before the app has even opened you can talk.

Right because web apps don't have dozen trackers on them.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #65

"No one wants to download apps anymore" I stopped reading there. The major advantage of the App Store (primarily for consumer apps though) is the fact that there's some kind of filtering at place. If I find a quality app, I want to actually pay for it. In fact, if it's a good app - then I prefer to pay, as it often ensures some kind of continuity in the app's lifecycle.

I always read the first dozen or so reviews of an app before I install it. It takes only a few seconds to skim. There is a lot of value in that.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #155
post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, you have a chance of actually finding quality native apps. Web apps are not completely optimal no matter how you try to sell it. I have nothing specifically against hybrid or web apps (they have their place), but speaking from personal experience I've had most luck with apps that were (1) native (2) cost a few pennies. I say this wearing the consumer or end-user hat. As a developer, I also prefer writing nat…

So you've found a quality apps by only finding it via the app store? It just sounds odd to me because I literally never have. The only way I've found them is by researching it on the web beforehand.

The top apps are still more or less the same staples as 5 years ago. While it’s harder to find a new excellent app, it still serves as a good introductory guide of what most people are going out of their way to install on their phones.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #81
post #65

"No one wants to download apps anymore" I stopped reading there. The major advantage of the App Store (primarily for consumer apps though) is the fact that there's some kind of filtering at place. If I find a quality app, I want to actually pay for it. In fact, if it's a good app - then I prefer to pay, as it often ensures some kind of continuity in the app's lifecycle.

the way you use your phone is different than others though. in the non-tech world people use less than 10 apps, email, social media, messenger, and maybe an investment portfolio I remember trying to get people to download an app I made in college and it was pretty hard, even when the app would show up #1 in the app store results after searching the name. Website would have been smarter, but an email list serv would h…

How many web applications do non-tech people use? I suspect it's also less than 10. Probably closer to one (Gmail). I don't see why getting them to use your web app is any easier than getting them to use your mobile app.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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post #137

I don't even bother installing apps anymore, I don't have time to research whether or not they are going to abuse my privacy or have some horrendous TOS. I got my core 10 apps and haven't bought a new one in a year.

I figure most things don't need an app unless they are trying to take more data anyway. Anything telling me to install an app whose mobile experience is fine already is very fishy to me. I'm looking at you, Reddit.

Interesting, iOS has pretty locked down default settings and prompts you when an app tries to access most sensitive data. I think I’d generally prefer mobile apps from a privacy perspective because I don’t have to worry about things like cookies as much.

Re: Start with a Website, Not a Mobile App

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IMO it's a misleading premise to begin with "Start with a website, not a mobile". One should try to stay true to target audience. If your product justifies "Mobile first" approach, mobile app is what one should start with.

Few years ago, I started with a website prototype with an end goal of porting UI elements and business logic to mobile. With some exception of reusing business logic, most UI elements required redo.

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