Compass Pathways has set itself up to be the first legal provider of psilocybin • Hacker News Board

Re: Compass Pathways has set itself up to be the first legal provider of psilocybin

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Post by ogoldhill » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:13 PM UTC

waynecochran wrote: post #13

ogoldhill wrote: post #9

Hi, I'm the author of the article. Thanks for reading, and if anyone has questions, I'm happy to answer them.

What are the downsides of legalizing Psilocybin and/or using it for treating depression?

At the moment, there's nowhere near enough research yet to know the potential downsides of using psilocybin to treat depression. So far, there's only been one study with 19 participants and no control group. It could be hugely successful or, as with any drug, it could come with possible side effects.

Re: Compass Pathways has set itself up to be the first legal provider of psilocybin

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Post by simplecomplex » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

“Therapy” is the biggest legal scam in the US.

Feeling depressed? Here have whatever chemical psychologists happen to be playing with today! Take some mushrooms, no wait, exercise, no wait, take this, no wait that doesn’t work and is dangerous so take this instead.

“Prior to founding Compass, George Goldsmith and Ekaterina Malievskaia, a married couple, did not have experience in psilocybin research or working in the pharmaceutical industry. They’ve made headway thanks to tens of millions in dollars from investors including Silicon Valley libertarian Peter Thiel and former Wall Street-executive-turnedcryptocurrency-investor Mike Novogratz,”

Can’t wait until they get into the chiropractic and homoepathic industries too.

Queue every pot smoker to tell me psyilocybin is a wonder drug and every square that it’s the end of civilization.

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Post by Retra » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

johnisgood wrote: post #36

Retra wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unnecessarily more risky when you do stupid things. You can't use a little risk to justify arbitrarily more risk, you have to make an argument based on the value produced.

The substance of interest is psychedelics. According to what we know, they are pretty safe. Additionally, it is most definitely not "unnecessarily". Introspection, personal growth, and so on is not "unnecessary" to me and to many people. If it is to you, that is fine by me. Not sure what you are referring to by "stupid things" though.

I don't have any serious qualms with psychedelics. I have a problem with someone arguing that they should be legal solely on the basis that risk is acceptable. By that argument, I should like to wave a loaded gun in your face.

But that would be a stupid and unnecessary risk, so obviously there is more to the question of regulation than what risks people feel like they want to take.

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Post by seandoe » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

idontpost wrote: post #33

seandoe wrote: post #29

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You mean pressure cooker and closet.

Gotta get the manure from somewhere.

Don't need manure-- vermiculite, brown rice flour.

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Post by garyclarke27 » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

Brings back fond memories of foraging in the Welsh Valleys every September October, millions of them for free (must be the sheep turds) - they were just as good fresh or dried, mushroom tea - amazing, despite the muddy fragrance, was particularly good for watching comedy films such as Steve Martin’s The Jerk or Airplane - used to be literally rolling on the floor with unstoppable laughter. Of course our Idiotic UK government could not allow such fun to be had, so deemed this wonderful gift from nature illegal and now turds like this couple can make a fortune.

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Post by Fricken » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

Retra wrote: post #28

nopacience wrote: post #24

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long term implications of a living human being is death. the live human being will create pollution, will kill a couple of ants, might become a murder, a liar. Life is risky.

It's unnecessarily more risky when you do stupid things. You can't use a little risk to justify arbitrarily more risk, you have to make an argument based on the value produced.

In theory humankind can persist indefinitely, so long as we don't fuck it up, but we are fucking it up, we're destroying the life support systems that sustain us. That's unacceptable risk.

Individuals on the other hand don't live forever, the risk of death is 100% for everyone, so individual risk isn't something we need to get uptight about.

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Post by dang » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

simplecomplex wrote: post #42

“Therapy” is the biggest legal scam in the US. Feeling depressed? Here have whatever chemical psychologists happen to be playing with today! Take some mushrooms, no wait, exercise, no wait, take this, no wait that doesn’t work and is dangerous so take this instead. “Prior to founding Compass, George Goldsmith and Ekaterina Malievskaia, a married couple, did not have experience in psilocybin research or working in the…

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive rants to HN? As you know, we're trying for a bit better than internet default here. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by Retra » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

nopacience wrote: post #37

Retra wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unnecessarily more risky when you do stupid things. You can't use a little risk to justify arbitrarily more risk, you have to make an argument based on the value produced.

Lots of people have died in car accidents. Many people have died because of knifes. Many people have died because went to the wrong place where wild animals were hungry. What is the solution in this case ? All the situations here are riskier. Many people die after they wake up and leave their room. So its risky to leave their room. You are not a genius.

I literally do not understand what you are responding to right now.

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Post by sjg007 » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:17 PM UTC

drb91 wrote: post #4

I must say I take a huge amount of joy watching a corporation try to bend over backwards to monopolize a fungus that has been enjoyed by humans for millenia. Is it a surprise that a capitalist industry is more motivated by profits than by the production of useful goods and services? Of course not: but it is good comedy. Maybe laughing at the absurdity of for-profit healthcare will be what saves us all from crippling…

I am not sure how successful they will be.. The big pharma guys can get into this game pretty easily. The issue will be establishing new FDA approvals. I don't think the chemical process / synthesis is patentable anymore. Even distillation will not be.

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Post by daveFNbuck » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 5:18 PM UTC

waynecochran wrote: post #20

black-tea wrote: post #17

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He didn't say anything about it harming the user. People should be allowed to harm themselves if they want to and most methods of self-harm are legal including using alcohol and cutting oneself.

> People should be allowed to harm themselves if they want to As long as they pay for their own medical insurance.

This attitude is the one thing that keeps me from embracing universal government-provided health insurance. People are so quick to use it as a justification for legal restrictions on behavior.