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Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by cinquemb »

ponyfleisch wrote: post #39
cinquemb wrote: post #38

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Over regulated daily life (though very well run) combined with being very culturally bland automaton like outside of very few pockets, mixed with Israeli militarism applied to its own people, just doesn't feel very welcoming compared to say Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia. Some of my wife's family has lived there and Indonesia for a while, and it is agreed that out of all the places in SE asia, it is a good place to…

Fair enough, but every city in malaysia feels like post apocalyptic singapore, infrastructure wise. Indonesia - not much quality of life overall.

Well I live in South Jakarta, in a pretty nice area in a 2br apt with alot of amenities that I would never want to pay for in the US or SG, so I'm biased because I probably have a very high quality of life compared to say most Indonesians (or even what I had compared to living in Boston paying the same for a room in an apt with 3 other grown men), but Indonesian's seem to be much more welcoming/laid back/hospitiable than Singaporean's (at least to me as a Black American). Plenty to complain about here (as anywhere), but progress is being made here without whole jack boot feel to it, albeit at a slower pace.

Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by nbevans »

hkt wrote: post #35
OscarCunningham wrote: post #34

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It's possible to imitate their trade policy without copying their lack of civil rights.

The main proponents of doing this are a guy who bought a water cannon to use on protestors in London, a man so Catholic he'd vote down abortion, and a bunch of people who are mostly OK with letting people who are fleeing war drown in the Mediterranean. I do not hold out much hope.

They use water cannon in the rest of Europe, and even tear gas. What's the problem? They should have had a water cannon for the London Riots in 2012 - and that is why they purchased some. Which the current mayor has selfishly used for political points by selling them off for barely 10k. He will be praying they aren't ever needed.

Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by throwaway7312 »

mikeash wrote: post #26
oth001 wrote: post #19

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Similar to America where Republicans and Democrats are really no different from each other in the grand scheme of things.

For example, they both want to dismantle social security, move away from anything resembling universal health care, shut down immigration from non-white countries, cut taxes, and jack up military spending. Wait a minute....

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Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by ponyfleisch »

cinquemb wrote: post #41
ponyfleisch wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough, but every city in malaysia feels like post apocalyptic singapore, infrastructure wise. Indonesia - not much quality of life overall.

Well I live in South Jakarta, in a pretty nice area in a 2br apt with alot of amenities that I would never want to pay for in the US or SG, so I'm biased because I probably have a very high quality of life compared to say most Indonesians (or even what I had compared to living in Boston paying the same for a room in an apt with 3 other grown men), but Indonesian's seem to be much more welcoming/laid back/hospitiable…

Do you have to go to an office daily? How convenient is that? Do you go out socially a lot? How are the restaurants and bars?

Jakarta is the city in SEA i know the least. I spent 3 days there as a cheap backpacker 10 years ago. I remember spending a substantial amount of time in traffic.

Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by angled »

My main interest in this article was not about Singapore, but at what point does an online gathering cross the boundary to the physical world where limits are placed on the size of the gathering, or if and when it crosses countries' borders.

What's not to say the HKer was the host and the Singaporeans were individually the guests? Obviously that isn't what the court decided in this instance but perhaps that is what could happen next time.

Was it the physical location of the Singaporeans that made the difference? What if they had attend a Skype concall at home, would the court be looking at who sent the meeting invitation?

Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by cinquemb »

ponyfleisch wrote: post #44
cinquemb wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I live in South Jakarta, in a pretty nice area in a 2br apt with alot of amenities that I would never want to pay for in the US or SG, so I'm biased because I probably have a very high quality of life compared to say most Indonesians (or even what I had compared to living in Boston paying the same for a room in an apt with 3 other grown men), but Indonesian's seem to be much more welcoming/laid back/hospitiable…

Do you have to go to an office daily? How convenient is that? Do you go out socially a lot? How are the restaurants and bars? Jakarta is the city in SEA i know the least. I spent 3 days there as a cheap backpacker 10 years ago. I remember spending a substantial amount of time in traffic.

No I worked remote for companies in the US, which was my main willingness to live in SE asia in the first place because salaries here are crap.

Some places are better than others, if you lived in SCBD or Pondok Indah (where I am), and your office is close, it kind of feels like some parts of tokyo, but with a little more green space. Traffic is pretty crap though (morning and eveing when people are coming from work), but go-jek or grab biking doesn't make it too bad. Pollution is still bad during the work week, and if you do it alot best to get one of those face masks people tend to wear a lot in Asia anyways. MRT is coming online soon (alot of test runs on the tracks now), so that will make it alot easier geting around esp from south to central jkt.

Plenty of restaurants, bars, and clubs, I manage to have a good time when I out (pretty introverted though, so I tend to not go a lot in general, maybe a couple of times every month, but I tend to order food via gojek at least like every other day), though I try to avoid places that allow smoking indoors. I also tend to avoid eating any street food unless I have something I can take that my stomach can handle (but I'm like that in the US as well ha). It's also nice to be able to take a quick flight to some of the Islands and relax (Bali is ok, but super crowded with tourists compared to other places).

Never was really interested in backpacking unless it was hiking in mountains purely, so I don't really know what would appeal to that perspective.

Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by pjc50 »

nbevans wrote: post #42
hkt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main proponents of doing this are a guy who bought a water cannon to use on protestors in London, a man so Catholic he'd vote down abortion, and a bunch of people who are mostly OK with letting people who are fleeing war drown in the Mediterranean. I do not hold out much hope.

They use water cannon in the rest of Europe, and even tear gas. What's the problem? They should have had a water cannon for the London Riots in 2012 - and that is why they purchased some. Which the current mayor has selfishly used for political points by selling them off for barely 10k. He will be praying they aren't ever needed.

Background on this, a fairly reasonable summary from the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33538171

Theresa May believed that escalating to water cannon with their potential risks would further damage relations between the police and the public in mainland Britain.

Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by rjsw »

nindalf wrote: post #15

I see people in this thread surprised that this is happening in Singapore, a “modern” country. Singapore is certainly wealthy, the population is highly educated, institutions aren’t corrupt, all of which is great. However, the political system resembles a democracy only superficially. Every election since 1965 has been won by the same party. It is inconceivable that the People’s Action Party wouldn’t win an election…

The current leader is Lee Kuan Yew's son.

Re: Singapore activist found guilty of hosting ‘illegal assembly’ via Skype

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Post by EliRivers »

nbevans wrote: post #42
hkt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main proponents of doing this are a guy who bought a water cannon to use on protestors in London, a man so Catholic he'd vote down abortion, and a bunch of people who are mostly OK with letting people who are fleeing war drown in the Mediterranean. I do not hold out much hope.

They use water cannon in the rest of Europe, and even tear gas. What's the problem? They should have had a water cannon for the London Riots in 2012 - and that is why they purchased some. Which the current mayor has selfishly used for political points by selling them off for barely 10k. He will be praying they aren't ever needed.

The government specifically chose not to authorise their use.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/home-secretarys-oral-...

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