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Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by michaelt »

djaychela wrote: post #15
Svip wrote: post #14

The idea is good, but the execution is lacking. I get it's a one-man project so far, and that's going to leave you uncertain about its future unlike Patreon. And while Patreon definitely needs competition, creators also needs assurances before they rely on a service. I honestly wonder why he did not reach out to a few people, who were passionate about the same thing, to help build this service further. As plenty here…

>>and that's going to leave you uncertain about its future unlike Patreon Given the events of the past month or so, I wouldn't be completely sure about the future of patreon. It's definitely shown the way forward in terms of supporting creators, but the repercussions of their actions seem to be gaining a lot of traction and putting doubt into trusting patreon for people who supported creators via the platform in the…

  the repercussions of their actions seem
  to be gaining a lot of traction
Is that based on hard figures from Patreon, or more of an impression based on the people you talk to?

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by mikker »

hjek wrote: post #6

I like that they are open about their expenses[0]. That's unusual. I wish they would be able to accept payments w/o requiring users to run non-free JS. [0]: https://10er.co/open

Thanks! I like to share.

JS is he way Stripe works and without Stripe there's no 10er. You're the first one to mention this though. So while I agree that it's not without problems, I'm not sure it's holding that many donators back.

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by sschueller »

mikker wrote: post #18
cherrygarcia wrote: post #12

I wonder why it’s Danish only

It actually isn't! I've recently done most of the work of translating it to English. So anywhere Stripe Connect is, I am.

Are you at all worried that stripe might pressure you to remove certain users from your site like patreon is currently doing? Do you have any future plans to use alternative non-US payment providers?

For example Subscribestar can no longer accept paypal payments. [1]

[1] https://www.subscribestar.com/subscribestar

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by r3bl »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #9
Fomite wrote: post #8

"I never created a Patreon account for us though. Everytime I began I never finished signing up. The whole thing just seemed like a hassle. Too many input fields and things to consider and graphics to provide. Patreon expects creators to create more content for patrons. We felt we were already giving away lots with our already free content." I actually really like this philosophy. I run a tiny, niche miniatures warga…

Similarly, I find it awkward when creators email me about secret stuff only available to patrons. The magic is that your stuff is free! I don’t want to be incentivising this. The free content led me to donate in the first place. The only way to achieve this is to donate so little, you don’t get any access to secret material. Patreon defeats the purpose of Patreon.

Fair point! As a creator thinking about creating a Patreon presence, I wouldn't have realized this.

How would you feel if the content is still free, but you get a sneak peek at it a bit earlier? I'm currently considering postponing all the schedules I have for seven days, and offering content a week earlier to those who pay. In my mind, that sounds good: the content I create is still free, while there's still an incentive for the consumers to support its creation.

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by Zekio »

r3bl wrote: post #24
nothrabannosir wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly, I find it awkward when creators email me about secret stuff only available to patrons. The magic is that your stuff is free! I don’t want to be incentivising this. The free content led me to donate in the first place. The only way to achieve this is to donate so little, you don’t get any access to secret material. Patreon defeats the purpose of Patreon.

Fair point! As a creator thinking about creating a Patreon presence, I wouldn't have realized this. How would you feel if the content is still free, but you get a sneak peek at it a bit earlier? I'm currently considering postponing all the schedules I have for seven days, and offering content a week earlier to those who pay. In my mind, that sounds good: the content I create is still free, while there's still an ince…

This is actually how a lot of content creators do it

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by mikker »

sschueller wrote: post #23
mikker wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually isn't! I've recently done most of the work of translating it to English. So anywhere Stripe Connect is, I am.

Are you at all worried that stripe might pressure you to remove certain users from your site like patreon is currently doing? Do you have any future plans to use alternative non-US payment providers? For example Subscribestar can no longer accept paypal payments. [1] [1] https://www.subscribestar.com/subscribestar

Not really. I have the same policy of not allowing hate speech and the like. I don't see myself as a "Patreon competitor" in that sense. Without getting myself into a debate I've only read a little about, I think good on them for controlling who gets to use their platform. I don't think of that as censorship, really.

I have no plans to add anything but Stripe, no. I realize how vulnerable that makes me and my relationship with them but you have to trust someone. I have used Paypal before and I didn't like it at all.

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by raarts »

mikker wrote: post #26
sschueller wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you at all worried that stripe might pressure you to remove certain users from your site like patreon is currently doing? Do you have any future plans to use alternative non-US payment providers? For example Subscribestar can no longer accept paypal payments. [1] [1] https://www.subscribestar.com/subscribestar

Not really. I have the same policy of not allowing hate speech and the like. I don't see myself as a "Patreon competitor" in that sense. Without getting myself into a debate I've only read a little about, I think good on them for controlling who gets to use their platform. I don't think of that as censorship, really. I have no plans to add anything but Stripe, no. I realize how vulnerable that makes me and my relatio…

> I have the same policy of not allowing hate speech and the like

For whoever is interested: this is the (Google translated) text in the Terms of 10er:

"The service must not be used for any illegal activity. Nor should the service be used in connection with violent, hateful, racist or similar activities. Brainbow defines in its own right what can be classified as being in one of these categories."

You are indeed not a competitor for Patreon. The biggest problem people seem to have with Patreon is exactly this: every company creating its own definition of hate speech, which could result in their customers (creators) being cut off their income for things they say, even on other platforms. Which effectively creates censorship, and a growing administrative cost for all companies.

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by sschueller »

raarts wrote: post #27
mikker wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. I have the same policy of not allowing hate speech and the like. I don't see myself as a "Patreon competitor" in that sense. Without getting myself into a debate I've only read a little about, I think good on them for controlling who gets to use their platform. I don't think of that as censorship, really. I have no plans to add anything but Stripe, no. I realize how vulnerable that makes me and my relatio…

> I have the same policy of not allowing hate speech and the like For whoever is interested: this is the (Google translated) text in the Terms of 10er: "The service must not be used for any illegal activity. Nor should the service be used in connection with violent, hateful, racist or similar activities. Brainbow defines in its own right what can be classified as being in one of these categories." You are indeed not…

I don't understand this.

Why not base it on what is legal by law in your country? Require a court order to have things removed.

Take Paypal and who ever to court in your country if they deny you service because of this and threaten to have their permits to do business in your country removed.

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by megous »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #16
hjek wrote: post #6

I like that they are open about their expenses[0]. That's unusual. I wish they would be able to accept payments w/o requiring users to run non-free JS. [0]: https://10er.co/open

If I wanted to accepted payments with open source JS / no JS, are there libraries that make that easy? The benefit of using the drop-in iframes / client side AJAX is that I get to take money without worrying about PCI compliance -- whereas if I hit some API serverside I'm handling people's credit card information myself, no? Would be curious to know what options are out there.

I haven't done web payments for quite a while, but the way it was done 12 or so years ago was, that you generated some signed data for inserting into a hidden input inside a " rel="nofollow">https://payment-processor.com/...>, and put that into a page server side. This would include all the order and merchant info. You'd also add a submit button with a "Pay now" text.

User would then submit the form and that would take him to the payment processor. The rest was payment processor calling some webhooks on your server with payment verification/other status. You wouldn't see/handle any ccard info at all.

No iframe trickery, no javascript necessary at all.

Re: Bootstrapping 10er, a Patreon-similar service for Danish creators

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Post by ForHackernews »

megous wrote: post #29
jazzyjackson wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I wanted to accepted payments with open source JS / no JS, are there libraries that make that easy? The benefit of using the drop-in iframes / client side AJAX is that I get to take money without worrying about PCI compliance -- whereas if I hit some API serverside I'm handling people's credit card information myself, no? Would be curious to know what options are out there.

I haven't done web payments for quite a while, but the way it was done 12 or so years ago was, that you generated some signed data for inserting into a hidden input inside a " rel="nofollow">https://payment-processor.com/...> , and put that into a page server side. This would include all the order and merchant info. You'd also add a submit button with a "Pay now" text. User would then submit the form and that would t…

Users dislike that because it bounces them to a different site.
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