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Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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You used a headline grabbing/clickbait title such as Diaspora Foundation: A Child Porn Sharing Neywork , in order to draw attention to a lack of a federated moderation system in the Diaspora network system. In my view this alone would be a good reason for you to be banned and cast out from those groups. FWIW I am not involved in those groups and I don't even know what happens in them, but the fact that you used such…

Hey buddy, I'm seeing a ton of CP on the D* network. Maybe that's cool with you, but to me, it means that the D* network is a place for disseminating CP and potentially a place where child sex trafficking is occuring. Thats not sensationalism. If you think people should be banned for comments about moderation, I would suggest you don't understand the difference between fair moderation and censorship. Or maybe you just think CP is cool huh? Are you one of the D* core devs, is that why you are defending this network where child sex abuse pictures are being posted every day?

IMHO people who scream CENSORSHIP when you start talking about removing CP and going after child predators, are usually child predators.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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I see it as a problem of moderation, which is notoriously tricky to do fairly, for any individual, and when you get a roomfull of techno-libertarians together it becomes insurmountable to reach consensus on the process. My takeaway is that federated networks need a federated moderation system, and they will become segmented when the "good" actors essentially ban / disconnect from the "bad" actors or just the uninitia…

There is no problem of moderation in decentralized systems, never was and never will be. Any system already assumes that you don't subscribe, follow or participate in things and communities you don't want to and you discover, choose and filter all the things you want yourself. That's how everything in the world works. Everything is inherently self moderated. But there are actors who want to control the spread of info…

If we're seeing CP on the network, there is MOST CERTAINLY a problem with the moderation. It's literally INSANE to me that you don't get that.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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What is D ? What is the Diaspora Foundation? How does the Diaspora Foundation differ from the Diaspora software? Does deploying the software make you automatically a member of D and the Diaspora Foundation?

No, I think you would have to be like added to their github group to be considered a "member" of the D* foundation. It used to be a private company but then it turned into a non-profit thing with volunteer coders. From what I can tell there are maybe 5 or 6 active devs, and they have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with the amount of CP on their network, and NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER blatantly censoring anyone who suggests a plan of action to stop the CP from being posted to their network. It seems to me that they may be PROTECTING their CP network from public view and legal scrutiny.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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There is no problem of moderation in decentralized systems, never was and never will be. Any system already assumes that you don't subscribe, follow or participate in things and communities you don't want to and you discover, choose and filter all the things you want yourself. That's how everything in the world works. Everything is inherently self moderated. But there are actors who want to control the spread of info…

If we're seeing CP on the network, there is MOST CERTAINLY a problem with the moderation. It's literally INSANE to me that you don't get that.

I think you are making false claims and now even false accusations of core devs. There is no point continuing this discussion, it's clearly a smear campaign.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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If we're seeing CP on the network, there is MOST CERTAINLY a problem with the moderation. It's literally INSANE to me that you don't get that.

I think you are making false claims and now even false accusations of core devs. There is no point continuing this discussion, it's clearly a smear campaign.

My claims are not false. You are defending a child sex trafficking network, imho.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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You can report images of child sexual abuse to the Internet Watch Foundation, an organisation who works with law enforcement internationally to remove these images. https://www.iwf.org.uk/

Thanks, I have filed a complaint with them now. I've also notified the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. I basically filed a complaint naming the D* core devs as potentially involved in child sex trafficking. That's very disturbing to me.

Sure they should address this but this is a bit crazy.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

#27

You used a headline grabbing/clickbait title such as Diaspora Foundation: A Child Porn Sharing Neywork , in order to draw attention to a lack of a federated moderation system in the Diaspora network system. In my view this alone would be a good reason for you to be banned and cast out from those groups. FWIW I am not involved in those groups and I don't even know what happens in them, but the fact that you used such…

Hey buddy, I'm seeing a ton of CP on the D* network. Maybe that's cool with you, but to me, it means that the D* network is a place for disseminating CP and potentially a place where child sex trafficking is occuring. Thats not sensationalism. If you think people should be banned for comments about moderation, I would suggest you don't understand the difference between fair moderation and censorship. Or maybe you jus…

This is precisely the attitude which would probably get you banned, and I would ban you for such an attitude. You titled your post with CP and switched to neo-nazis who kept moving around when they were banned or blocked, the switched back to CP on the networks.

You didn't write about CP posters that you blocked or banned only for them switch to other pods. Any reason for that omission? You see, insinuations can work both ways.

The truth is you want moderation for other things besides CP, and you are using CP to draw attention to your cause.

You are already making insinuations like:

> "Or maybe you just think CP is cool huh? Are you one of the D* core devs, is that why you are defending this network where child sex abuse pictures are being posted every day?"

> "IMHO people who scream CENSORSHIP when you start talking about removing CP and going after child predators, are usually child predators."

Your behaviour is like some militant activists and SJWs who vilify and impugn people innocent people for no other reason that they don't share their views or subscribe to their causes. You might as well say that people who support and defend the 2nd amendment right to bear arms support mass murderers who go on killing sprees line Sandy Hook etc, and enjoy seeing the aftermath of such events on television. Do you characterize all defenders of the second amendment in that manner?

The whole point of decentralization is to avoid the very kind of controls you seek to have implemented. In any case the proper thing to do is for end users to have the kind of software that screens out users they don't like. If end users want to share their lists that is fine, centralizing the process without total transparency and accountability defeats the very idea of decentralized networks. There is no such thing has having your cake and eating it.

stevenicr has already made some comments along such lines, but without a transparent process which allows users final control on what they see or cannot receive you are bound to wind up in the Spamhaus situation. The end user must have the final say.

Since it is also a software issue, have you considered forking the software and implementing the changes you want, and letting pod administrators choose which software they prefer? That is a saner approach than casting innuendo about the software developers.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey buddy, I'm seeing a ton of CP on the D* network. Maybe that's cool with you, but to me, it means that the D* network is a place for disseminating CP and potentially a place where child sex trafficking is occuring. Thats not sensationalism. If you think people should be banned for comments about moderation, I would suggest you don't understand the difference between fair moderation and censorship. Or maybe you jus…

This is precisely the attitude which would probably get you banned, and I would ban you for such an attitude. You titled your post with CP and switched to neo-nazis who kept moving around when they were banned or blocked, the switched back to CP on the networks. You didn't write about CP posters that you blocked or banned only for them switch to other pods. Any reason for that omission? You see, insinuations can work…

If you think people should be banned from discussions because of their "attitudes" regarding moderation, you don't understand the difference between moderation and censorship, and you are advocating censorship.

> I would ban you for such an attitude.

Well, then you are a would-be censor, and it's a good thing you can't ban everyone everywhere, or else the whole world would fall silent and the only sound would be of your waxing nonsense. All those "spammers" with their "spam" complaints about CP, amirite?

If you think people should be banned from discussions because they won't stop complaining about all the CP on the network and how they can't legally run a pod anymore, well that's the attitude I'd expect from a CP network admin.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, I have filed a complaint with them now. I've also notified the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. I basically filed a complaint naming the D* core devs as potentially involved in child sex trafficking. That's very disturbing to me.

Sure they should address this but this is a bit crazy.

Why do you think it's crazy for me to file criminal reports about CP that I saw on the Diaspora Network? Should I just ignore that kind of thing, you think? I just submitted a tip to the FBI.

Re: Diaspora Foundation: A Child-Porn Sharing Network

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it as a problem of moderation, which is notoriously tricky to do fairly, for any individual, and when you get a roomfull of techno-libertarians together it becomes insurmountable to reach consensus on the process. My takeaway is that federated networks need a federated moderation system, and they will become segmented when the "good" actors essentially ban / disconnect from the "bad" actors or just the uninitia…

I've been thinking a lot about moderating with online communications, decentralized and federated makes the solutions even more complex. It's not easy to filter when the people you want to filter have some tech knowledge. I've been dealing with that for years. One bad person in a country near this one has access to thousands of VPNs, and is simply unstoppable. I've been kicking around the idea of having multiple filt…

Actually, being a D* podmin for 7 years gave me a lot of time to reflect on fair moderation. Good moderation means letting people say things that you disagree with, essentially, as long as it is legal content. However, as the owner of a webserver, I do have the prerogative to lay down the rules of what can be served there, and so a part of good moderation is setting up a fair and rational TOS that is publicly posted, and applying those rules fairly to all accounts, equally.

For example, a rational TOS would not have people banned for complaining about CP on the network. A rational TOS would not ban people for "too many comments" on a github issue ticket without defining what the time limits for posting are. Spam is unsolicited commercial advertisment posts, so those are a clearly-defined special category.

I think meta-moderation, where people are randomly assigned to review each other's mod actions for sensibility, and some consensus/reputation score could be utilized to arbitrate that. I also think random rotation of moderatorship to people with good recent reputation/kharma over a 6 or 12 month period could be utilised, to great effect, to prevent "tyrant" mods.

In a federated network such as Diaspora, I think you need some tools for federation of the moderatorship actions, such as the ability to share blocklists among pods, with standardized TOS terms that several pods could subscribe to. That's what I suggested in their github issues system, right before they banned me.

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