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Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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It doesn't have the flash in the pan moment of sucesss like a unicorn startup but these guys will make billions some day due to all the peering agreements and interconnect (most the long haul is probably leased), especially as IPv6 takes majority prominence in the coming years.

Excellent slow burner kind of business and smart customer acquisition through low pricing and easy turn-ups.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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It's amazing to see all the underwater cabling. That's remarkable.

However, what's with the gigantic holes in interior South America, Africa, Russia, and China? Is that real or an artifact of their methodology? (Presumably, the "emptiness" of interior China is due to the fact that everything is behind the Great Firewall and is hosing their metrics)

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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post #2

It doesn't have the flash in the pan moment of sucesss like a unicorn startup but these guys will make billions some day due to all the peering agreements and interconnect (most the long haul is probably leased), especially as IPv6 takes majority prominence in the coming years. Excellent slow burner kind of business and smart customer acquisition through low pricing and easy turn-ups.

Please forgive my ignorant question, but if they're already peering with a lot of networks, why would those networks change to paying for transit from them? Or do you think they'd start to steal paying transit customers away from some of the larger T1 networks?

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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post #2

It doesn't have the flash in the pan moment of sucesss like a unicorn startup but these guys will make billions some day due to all the peering agreements and interconnect (most the long haul is probably leased), especially as IPv6 takes majority prominence in the coming years. Excellent slow burner kind of business and smart customer acquisition through low pricing and easy turn-ups.

Probably not. This is a pretty competitive space, which pushes prices towards marginal costs.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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post #3

It's amazing to see all the underwater cabling. That's remarkable. However, what's with the gigantic holes in interior South America, Africa, Russia, and China? Is that real or an artifact of their methodology? (Presumably, the "emptiness" of interior China is due to the fact that everything is behind the Great Firewall and is hosing their metrics)

This is just HE.net's network (with an overlay of submarine cables globally), very few if any US or EU based network operators have network presences in Russia or China (perhaps with the exception of Moscow and St Petersburg).

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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post #4
post #2

It doesn't have the flash in the pan moment of sucesss like a unicorn startup but these guys will make billions some day due to all the peering agreements and interconnect (most the long haul is probably leased), especially as IPv6 takes majority prominence in the coming years. Excellent slow burner kind of business and smart customer acquisition through low pricing and easy turn-ups.

Please forgive my ignorant question, but if they're already peering with a lot of networks, why would those networks change to paying for transit from them? Or do you think they'd start to steal paying transit customers away from some of the larger T1 networks?

It's possible some T1 networks may transit them for v6 as that continues to grow in usage but the largest opportunity for HE is being the highest degree v6 carrier, regardless if their v6 backbone gets labeled T1 or T2.

I don't quite know if I think they'd start raking in the billions but I think they have better long term prospects than other large scale providers at the moment.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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post #3

It's amazing to see all the underwater cabling. That's remarkable. However, what's with the gigantic holes in interior South America, Africa, Russia, and China? Is that real or an artifact of their methodology? (Presumably, the "emptiness" of interior China is due to the fact that everything is behind the Great Firewall and is hosing their metrics)

This is just HE.net's network (with an overlay of submarine cables globally), very few if any US or EU based network operators have network presences in Russia or China (perhaps with the exception of Moscow and St Petersburg).

This is a topology diagram at layer 3 for their BGP / ipv4 and ipv6 network - nobody should confuse it with OSI layer 1 cable reality for where routes physically are, except at the most gross level of detail (POP in Paris is linked to POP in London, for example).

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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post #3

It's amazing to see all the underwater cabling. That's remarkable. However, what's with the gigantic holes in interior South America, Africa, Russia, and China? Is that real or an artifact of their methodology? (Presumably, the "emptiness" of interior China is due to the fact that everything is behind the Great Firewall and is hosing their metrics)

This is just HE.net's network (with an overlay of submarine cables globally), very few if any US or EU based network operators have network presences in Russia or China (perhaps with the exception of Moscow and St Petersburg).

If you look at the european POPs of major eastern european and Russian ISPs, everything in Russia that counts as a major carrier or ISP has established a presence at DE-CIX Frankfurt. The various buildings in Frankfurt that house DE-CIX switches are full of PNIs between big ISPs.
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