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China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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FTA: "In addition to its value as a scientific exploration target, the Moon’s quiet, airless far side makes it one of the best places in the inner solar system for science applications like radio astronomy."

It what way is any part of the moon not "quiet and airless" ?

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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It is kind of surprising that the Chinese choose mystical names for their space probes, rather than names of revolutionary origin (I guess Long March, is an exception).

After the Cultural Revolution, the PRC seemingly decided that turning their backs on centuries of culture might not have been the best move. And by culture I mean the subset of "Chinese" culture they deem compatible with their planned future society; cultural and religious "fringe" groups are still brutally repressed.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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Surely it's darker than the earth facing side. I'm no rocket scientist, but I reckon at least some of the light the sun sends our way gets reflected. From experience, a moonless night sure feels darker than when the full moon is up.

The amount of reflected Earthlight would depend on your location on the Moon's nearside and the phase of the Earth. The corollary of one side of the Moon always facing the Earth is that the Earth hangs in about the same place in the sky for any given point on the Moon's surface. Over a period of (earth) days the Earth's position would slightly but visibly oscillate due to libration [0]. This might slightly vary the i…

A "full Earth" would coincide with the sun fully illuminating the far side of the Moon, and a "new Earth" would coincide with the sun fully illuminating the near side of the Moon, so wouldn't you only get maximum darkness anywhere on the Moon during a lunar eclipse?

However, counterintuitively, I think you'd be better off with a full Earth and no direct sunlight than a new Earth and full direct sunlight, making the near side a slightly better place for an optical telescope. The near side of the moon even has the opportunity to experience eclipses.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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FTA: "In addition to its value as a scientific exploration target, the Moon’s quiet, airless far side makes it one of the best places in the inner solar system for science applications like radio astronomy." It what way is any part of the moon not "quiet and airless" ?

The near side is bathed in radio (and other) waves from the Earth. It's not "radio quiet". Also, the Earth "leaks" a surprisingly large amount of air, especially when it's a full Moon and the solar wind is carrying outer reaches of the atmosphere with it.

The amounts are small, but scientific instruments are - by design - quite sensitive.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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The headline should be "China claims to successfully land..." Given the government and business tendency in China to make claims that later turn out to be fabricated nothing they announce should be taken as true without independent verification.

This isn't really impressive enough to be worth the risk of lying about, and anything that was impressive enough would be worth verifying so you couldn't lie about it anyway. If they're going to lie about something, it would be something they would have total information control over in the first place, like, "no, of course we didn't try to launch a rocket on this date".

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#196

FTA: "In addition to its value as a scientific exploration target, the Moon’s quiet, airless far side makes it one of the best places in the inner solar system for science applications like radio astronomy." It what way is any part of the moon not "quiet and airless" ?

re "airless", the moon does have some semblance of atmosphere, but i think it's neither constrained to the near side nor in general particularly notable.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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Israel and India may be sending landers to the Moon too. India has sent orbiters to the Moon and Mars. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Orbiter_Mission_2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrayaan-2 An Israeli group got pretty far with an entry in the lunar lander XPrize. But the prize reached its deadline dates and expired. I hear they may be shopping for a deep space launch vehicle.

I think the Israeli group is SpaceIL, currently scheduled to launch (alongside a satellite) on a Falcon 9 in February. https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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Do you know why NASA doesn't partner up with China? Because it sounds like you think those political differences are insignificant.

It's currently illegal for NASA to work with China. There's been a line in the NASA appropriations bills for the last 5 years or so saying none of the money they're receiving can be used bilaterally or in cooperation with China

How about working with Taiwan? I think they too have a space program, although I have no idea how big it is.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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That's very interesting to hear. I wonder if it is something specific to that corporation, or perhaps your role at the corporation, though? All the Chinese-born people I know would be pretty surprised if any non-Chinese person could read Chinese.

All the Chinese-born people I know would be pretty surprised if any non-Chinese person could read Chinese. My experience is that attitudes are often quite different if you look like a Chinese person.

I don't think that attitude is unique to Chinese people. My experience is based on my name rather than looks. Whenever people from my father's country ask me my name, they suddenly expect me to speak their language - and then to tell me what a shame it is when I don't. I've seen the same for British Germans, Polish and Vietnamese too!

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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The photos were originally published here: http://www.cnsa.gov.cn/n6758823/n6758838/c6805034/content.ht... It's the original source. I chose to post the BI article because the original source is in Chinese.

I don't blame you, but next time you go to a foreign website, you can look out for icons that resemble national flags or EN. There is usually an English version of the website available for important government websites (as with this case, the button is on the top right corner).

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. I have lousy eyesight. It's easy for me to miss details like that.
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