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China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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"...and if the dam breaks open many years too soon..." Perhaps interesting to note the origin of this name for spacecraft. The legend "Chang'e flies to the moon" (嫦娥奔月) lies behind the Mid-Autumn Festival (featuring mooncakes, as it were). Point is, the names of Chinese space missions are every bit as carefully steeped in tradition as, say, Mercury/Gemini/Apollo.

The legend "Chang'e flies to the moon" (嫦娥奔月) lies behind the Mid-Autumn Festival (featuring mooncakes, as it were). Point is, the names of Chinese space missions are every bit as carefully steeped in tradition as, say, Mercury/Gemini/Apollo.

The People's Republic of China doesn't think of itself as a "Nation State." Instead, it thinks of itself as a "civilization state." A part of PRC's self appointed charge is to prevent the marginalization of Chinese civilization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhUmLtlZpw

When I was working in Houston, it was a regular occurrence for me to meet yet another Chinese born employee of whatever corporation I was in, who would soon after ask me if I could read Chinese characters, then say it was a "shame" I couldn't. I'm not even Chinese, so I find this a bit parochial. I'm aware of the importance of Chinese characters in the culture of East Asia, but still, there's something a bit too self important about it.

Now, many years later, I'm married to a Chinese woman. Even she gives me this guff! It's like they're trying to match the attitude level of the French.

(EDIT: If you know of something wonderful more people should know about, most of the time, you should try to share it as a direct experience. That way, you're more likely to get across the magic and you're less likely to come across as a lecture.)

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#162
post #82

Their logo has similarities to a certain sci-fi TV show.. https://www.space.com/22743-china-national-space-administrat...

I mean, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Command#/media...

I mean, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscosmos#/media/File:Roscosmo...

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trisolarian plot in Cixin Liu's The Three Body Problem also seems to have borrowed from this myth.

Having read (and enjoyed) that trilogy, I'm not making the connection. Which part?

In the novel, the three-body civilization would go extinct if there are two or three suns in the sky.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#164
post #15

From the NYT article [0] on the topic: "We Chinese people have done something that the Americans have not dared try.” -- someone associated with the Chinese space agency Why so insecure? Not a good look. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/world/asia/china-change-4...

"have not dared try"

This mission wasn't difficult from an astro perspective, and was only moderately challenging from a satellite comms perspective.

It just wasn't that high on the priority list.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#165

The headline should be "China claims to successfully land..." Given the government and business tendency in China to make claims that later turn out to be fabricated nothing they announce should be taken as true without independent verification.

Seconded. That is the proper contextualization for news out of CH.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#166
post #118

Awesome. Too bad US freezes China out in working with NASA on space exploration. I think we all should partner up despite our political differences.

Do you know why NASA doesn't partner up with China? Because it sounds like you think those political differences are insignificant.

Speaking of significant political differences, NASA has been partnering with Russia and nobody seems to have a problem with that.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#167

The headline should be "China claims to successfully land..." Given the government and business tendency in China to make claims that later turn out to be fabricated nothing they announce should be taken as true without independent verification.

How clever of them to have faked a rover failure with Chang'e 3 then, so that we'd believe them now if they report that the rover works. But seriously, we haven't seen any indications of the CNSA faking anything. China isn't a person, it's a whole big country. The fact that Bernie Madoff defrauded a huge number of people doesn't mean that you can't trust NASA.

I don't want to sing the praises of CNSA's openness here. They have a history of keeping things secret until they work out, like the Soviets did. And probably there are failures we'll never hear about. But if they say they landed a probe on the far side of the Moon then there isn't reason to doubt them.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way they used the L2 point to lasso a relay satellite So confusing to put it that way. No one has caught anything with a rope or a cable, as far as I know. Basically, they are orbiting a relay satellite around the L2 Lagrange point so that the relay has line of sight with both the landing point and Earth. Obviously, if it just sat at L2, the moon would be in between the relay and the Earth. Orbiting around Lagran…

> No one has caught anything with a rope or a cable, as far as I know Soo good to have an expert here, thanks!

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Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#169
post #150

"...and if the dam breaks open many years too soon..." Perhaps interesting to note the origin of this name for spacecraft. The legend "Chang'e flies to the moon" (嫦娥奔月) lies behind the Mid-Autumn Festival (featuring mooncakes, as it were). Point is, the names of Chinese space missions are every bit as carefully steeped in tradition as, say, Mercury/Gemini/Apollo.

Thank you for making the valid point that those asian people have a history and traditions as well. Like seriously? This is the top voted comment? Sometimes I seriously wonder about HN.

Can you please not post unsubstantive comments to HN, especially nasty ones?

The interesting thing about the comment was the information about that specific name, not the generic point about naming things. Since you could have responded to either, it would be good to remember this guideline: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

It would also be good to review all of https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not to be a jerk to other users.

Re: China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon

#170

Awesome. Too bad US freezes China out in working with NASA on space exploration. I think we all should partner up despite our political differences.

I disagree. I don't think we should partner up. I think we should compete. The US, China, EU, India and possibly even Japan are wealthy enough and the first 4 is populous enough to explore on our own.

I think we should share our discoveries and knowledge, but we shouldn't be partnering. If we really want space exploration, competition is what is going to drive it.

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