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Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by gnulinux » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 6:34 PM UTC

z_open wrote: post #20

will_brown wrote: post #8

All this money, time and effort in an attempt to market new low sugar cereals , these are the same company’s who: 1. Have been marketing their product as part of a balanced breakfast for decades, and 2. Continued increasing the amount of sugar while actively lobbying against any attempts to regulate marketing their sugary products to kids. Here is an idea...get rid of the sugary cereals and sugary milk entirely and f…

You want them to get a heart attack instead? Lots of cultures have good breakfast that don't rely on sugar or cholesterol. Look to the Mediterranean/Middle East/Central Asia/Far East.

This sort of pseudo science is usually upvoted/supported only because of bacon's popular conception to be unhealthy. That may be true, but your logic is still flawed since there is no correlation between cholesterol or fat consumption and heart diseases (as pointed out by other commenters). However, high glycemic nature of sugar is still based on facts.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by esotericn » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 6:41 PM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #51

jgoewert wrote: post #2

Unpopular opinion, but part of the problem is that stupid people are more likely to have kids, and especially many kids. Stupid people become stupid parents.

This is just code for poor people and if it is true it is because they can't afford (and/or don't have access to) fresh fruits, vegetables and quality meats.

Or the opposite.

You eat bad food, it decreases your intelligence or at least your ability to function effectively (bad digestion, blood sugar spikes, general longer term health issues).

Then you spiral down.

Fresh food isn't expensive. On the contrary; it's extremely cheap compared to the benefits it confers.

It's far better value for money than, say, another 5 sqm on your living quarters.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by ArrayList » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 6:45 PM UTC

lhl wrote: post #110

ArrayList wrote: post #106

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Just want to note that "2015 Egg Consumption and Human Cardio-Metabolic Health in People with and without Diabetes" states under "Conflicts of Interest": "N.R.F., I.D.C. and T.P.M. have received research grants for other clinical trials funded by Australian Egg Corporation Limited". And: "T.P.M. acts as an advisory member to the Egg Nutrition Council." Your last 2017 study is funded by the "Esperance Family Foundatio…

Yes, that review also cites 94 references and (the core of the reference is 3 tables that reviews existing literature anyway) and was published in MDPI's peer-reviewed open access journal Nutrients. Every other publication I listed was also peer-reviewed and can be read in full and is also full of citations. That's sort of the point of having scientific literature. But sure, since he's "highly respected" this Dr Greg…

Your passion for animal-based products is truly impressive! Have a good one!

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by save_ferris » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 7:44 PM UTC

worldstarhiphop wrote: post #50

save_ferris wrote: post #9

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What an insane oversimplification. Look around, the tech industry is filled with incredibly smart people that don't take care of their bodies. Overcoming bad lifestyle habits is a challenge for many, especially those who inherited those habits as children. But we can absolutely do better than "fat == stupid".

I'd argue that if you lack the self awareness to see how unhealthy you are, impart your bad habits onto your kids, and raise them till adulthood as if nothing's wrong, you are very stupid. Whether you can implement some function on a computer every couple months for $150k and free food doesn't change that.

A. I struggle to see the necessity or practicality of arguing that fat people are stupid. If you think they are, fine. Now how do you solve that problem? When has calling a large group of people stupid ever solved a major crisis, in public health, or otherwise?

B. It's not necessarily a self-awareness issue. Many people know that they lead unhealthy lifestyles, but are unable to make long-term changes to their health for a variety of reasons. The motivational psychology behind wellness really conflicts with those accustomed to sedentary lifestyles.

A major factor that is well-known in health sciences is that extrinsic motivators (i.e. exercising to improve how you look) for lifestyle and dietary changes rarely work for people. People put a lot of pressure on themselves, work really hard for a few weeks, and for some reason don't drop an absurd amount of weight in that short time, which usually leads to relapse and guilt.

Funny enough, when I was doing research on motivational psychology for my BS in kinesiology, one of the most common complaints among people trying to reverse lifelong habits was that they feared failure and shame from the public. So all of that "if you're fat, you're stupid" logic that's being thrown around here is absolutely contributing to this problem, based on my experience.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by slenk » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 7:53 PM UTC

z_open wrote: post #20

will_brown wrote: post #8

All this money, time and effort in an attempt to market new low sugar cereals , these are the same company’s who: 1. Have been marketing their product as part of a balanced breakfast for decades, and 2. Continued increasing the amount of sugar while actively lobbying against any attempts to regulate marketing their sugary products to kids. Here is an idea...get rid of the sugary cereals and sugary milk entirely and f…

You want them to get a heart attack instead? Lots of cultures have good breakfast that don't rely on sugar or cholesterol. Look to the Mediterranean/Middle East/Central Asia/Far East.

That's what Big Sugar wants you to think. Who do you think pushed that fat was the worst? Sugar

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by kop316 » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 8:03 PM UTC

kannanvijayan wrote: post #46

kop316 wrote: post #6

One thing I have been working on recently is cooking, especially from scratch and attempting to keep it healthy. One big thing I have noticed is that a lot of food (once cooked) has a very short shelf life (usually days), and if you have something with few ingredients, it requires quality ingredients. For prepackaged/premade foods, one would want food to stay good for longer than days once cooked/made, so it can be t…

Cooking techniques from tropical areas where food spoil quickly are useful here. It's one of the big reasons that spice is used in Indian cooking for example - historically not for flavour in particular but because food spoils extremely quickly (as in within a day or two) if not spiced. If the palette suits you, it's something I'd suggest looking into. We prepare foods on the weekend (working parents) and they stay f…

I would be very interested in it. If you don't mind me asking, do you have any resources you would recommend?

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by neom » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

crescentfresh wrote: post #94

mikewhy wrote: post #87

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My mother was the same. Any treat she made had half sugar half salt, no cereal if sugar was in the first 3 ingredients, and would rarely buy candy. I went on to work in a bulk candy store, and usually have some bag of candy nearby.

What was her take on halloween?

NO GO HALLOWEEN. For my mum anyways. She pretended it was a pagan holiday.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by tracker1 » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 8:34 PM UTC

shados wrote: post #58

tracker1 wrote: post #31

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In general, carbs break down into glucose for consumption... which isn't the worst thing. Fructose (about half, or more, of most natural sugars) is only able to be processed by the liver and usually in excess of what can be metabolized meaning a build up of fatty liver. This has other side effects leading to metabolic syndrome/diabetes/heart-disease. A big issue is that many people eating low fat actually don't get e…

> Without enough fat, many will see issues with their gal bladder over time Wait what? I was under the impression that most gal bladder issues came from fat, not from not enough fat. Or is it one of those "both extremes are bad" thing?

This article[1], paragraph 2:

    Even as many doctors subscribe to the myth that eating
    fat and cholesterol leads to gallstones, research 
    indicates that eating too little fat and too many 
    carbohydrates in the form of grains, sugars and 
    starches actually leads to gallbladder ailments. ...

Or on WebMD from over a decade ago [2] .. as to the saturated fats... generally animal sources of fats are about half or less saturated, and generally a good mix.

[1] https://www.atkins.com/how-it-works/library/articles/dealing...

[2] https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/news/20041004/more...

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by neom » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 8:38 PM UTC

crescentfresh wrote: post #90

neom wrote: post #39

Very grateful to my parents for not allowing me sugar added foods when I was a kid, even though I thought it was so lame and had the worst packed lunch out of my friends. I actually ended up being 300lbs in my late teens early 20s because all I did was IRC all day. That said, it didn't take much effort to get to the 150/160 I am today. I'm not sure if it's correlated but coincidently I can't stand anything sweet as a…

> 300lbs...it didn't take much effort to get to the 150/160 Uh, holy crap. Good job. How did you do it? What are some lunch ideas from your parents for my kids? Serious question lol. Since tree nuts and things aren't allowed I find nearly all the options in the "kids lunches" section of the store are all carb/sugar heavy, everything from the yogurts -> granola bars -> fruit. About the fattiest/healthiest thing I can…

I grew up in rural Scotland. Mum got up at 5am and made herself coffee and two, stilton, cucumber and tomato ham sandwich for my sister and I. No pudding, maaaaaayyybbbeee we'd get carrots and broccoli with mayo as a side if we were lucky. We got on the bus at 7am. Amazingly I still got fat because I was sedentary.

Re: Average 10-year-old has eaten 18 years' worth of sugar

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Post by tracker1 » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 8:39 PM UTC

shados wrote: post #108

lotsofpulp wrote: post #84

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“Both extremes are bad” applies to everything, by definition of it being extreme.

Fair, though usually "drinking zero water" as an extreme does not cause death by water intoxication, and avoiding all alcohol does not usually cause liver issues. So im curious how this particular extreme affects the galbladder.

See effects of too much potassium vs too little, or magnesium, sodium, phosphorous. The symptoms overlap because when the balance is off, it can have similar effects.