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Thunderbird in 2019

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Re: Thunderbird in 2019

#81
I'm still on Thunderbird 52 because the upgrade to 60 ruined my calendar. I hope the next ESR version works better. :-/

I don't even use Thunderbird for email anymore, so I guess what I really want is a standalone calendaring application that I can migrate to.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

#82

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Oh thank you! I really wish Thunderbird would support EAS/MAPI over HTTP/EWS. They're so widely used and it's irritating to have to use the memory hog that is Evolution.

Update: works really well, shame it doesn't do email at the same time, but I guess it's a WIP. Cheers!

Luckily in my case, I can use IMAP. But lack of calendar and contacts was very annoying, until I found this add-on.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Well I had a backup of sorts, domestic environment, but did lose data (yes I shouldn't have trusted it). Still haven't managed to debug so can't use Thunderbird properly yet; changing app is a major upheaval after a decade or more [not quite continuous use, tried Kmail, Opera, and a few others like Sylpheed, Mutt(!), in the interim -- after Pine, proprietary apps TB was my first desktop MUA]. So, I need to audition n…

Mailspring? [1] Its FOSS. [1] https://getmailspring.com

Only part of it is FOSS (the UI basically), the sync engine is closed source and using Mailspring requires creating a Mailspring account FWIW.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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I’ve switched to MailMate after years of thunderbird and am very happy with it. It ticks all the boxes you mention.

MailMate is OSX only and proprietary, which kind of makes it a very different beast.

Yes I am on linux, and I wouldn't want a closed source email client.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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post #38

I love thunderbird because it's the only email client that does everything I want. I tried CLI clients, they are great and customizable, but CLI is a bit bare for email (images, html, fonts...) Things I'd like to see improved: - Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). - Native PGP. - Better search, the UI is horrible and the search string is hard to get right (need fu…

I always thought the search was excellent when I used it. At one point I had a 100k of emails. But I could find what ever I needed. Meanwhile Outlook failed with a certain local file size limit and caused endless problems. They were apparently okay with that and resisted change to something that actually worked.

The search is not bad when you know what you are looking for. It's fuzzy search that is missing, and a few UI adjustments.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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post #38

I love thunderbird because it's the only email client that does everything I want. I tried CLI clients, they are great and customizable, but CLI is a bit bare for email (images, html, fonts...) Things I'd like to see improved: - Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). - Native PGP. - Better search, the UI is horrible and the search string is hard to get right (need fu…

A small note: beside CLI MUAs there is another text-based but graphic-capable MUAs, those inside of Emacs, Notmuch in my case, and this one can really beat not only TB but also GMail, earlier not-so-crappy versions included.

Native CardDAV integration can come via KHard or other sources, CalDAV can be integrated with org-agenda, GNUPG while not native is really quick to add, search is at another level + tags & saved searches, automation is via external tools like afew and it can be (with a not so small works, unfortunately) really efficient, for instance I auto-archive pdf attachments of my monthly bills in a proper tree, with proper filenames and a note in the org-agenda.

The real problem is only that no one still do not package anything in a sole comprehensive software with a simple config. You have to make it yourself perhaps with the help of org-mode and a bit of extra scripting. A price not anyone is willing to pay but a real opportunity for ThunderBird IMO.

Everything is there, needs only integration for casual users.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Hence the spin-off app. A ground-up, UX focused app which does not have to meet feature parity, would attract users who are already confused by email clients. This is a different target audience to the people who typically use Thunderbird at this time. For some people Apple Mail is enough.

TBH, anyone I interact with who is tech savvy doesn't use email, so I really don't need those features.

> anyone I interact with who is tech savvy doesn't use email

You live in a strange bubble.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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The last I heard from Thunderbird in 2018, the story was Mozilla making preparations to divest themselves from the project and spin it off to "the community" (a.k.a. Apache graveyard). This post makes it sound like the Thunderbird team has been growing within Mozilla during 2018, and is targeting another 75% headcount increase in 2019. I mean, that's awesome, as someone who wants there to be a viable desktop email cl…

I was once told by a Mozilla policy person in DC that Thunderbird was outdated and people should use webmail. They liked Gmail better and didn't see the point of using an IMAP client. It was a weird conversation.

I understood it was just their personal opinion, but finding myself advocating for Thunderbird against someone who works for Mozilla was a little strange. My take away was that Mozilla doesn't really know what its priorities should be and there is significant disagreement within the org about what they should be spending resources on.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

#89

Thunderbird still has a critical bug open that literally deletes your email. I have been bitten by it once and lost hundreds of email permanently. Not fun. I am subscribed to the ticket and every month or so someone posts an outraged "me too". https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462156

Thanks for posting this link - that's scary! There are people who have lost thousands of mails due to this bug..

I've been using Thunderbird for years and have never encountered this issue (cross fingers, knock on wood) but reading that thread makes me seriously consider whether I should migrate to another email client. Or at least have regular reliable backup.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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post #38

I love thunderbird because it's the only email client that does everything I want. I tried CLI clients, they are great and customizable, but CLI is a bit bare for email (images, html, fonts...) Things I'd like to see improved: - Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). - Native PGP. - Better search, the UI is horrible and the search string is hard to get right (need fu…

While we're writing a wishlist, native Wayland support wouldn't go amiss. That goes for Firefox too!
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