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The Commerce Department is considering national security restrictions on AI
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Was publishing cryptography papers in open-access journals also illegal? Without such a ban it seems it would be very hard to stop the export of AI, as it's not particularly difficult to implement an AI algorithm from spec, just tedious; certainly much easier than implementing one's own crypto. >illegal to provide them to non-us persons without a license I wonder if in this case Git{hub|lab} would need the license, o…
You couldn't export software implementing cryptography, but there wasn't any similar restriction on books about cryptography, even if the book contained detailed descriptions of the algorithms and the mathematics!
The PGP source code was published as a book to avoid this https://philzimmermann.com/EN/essays/BookPreface.html
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#33This is what we get for all the stupid fear-mongering done by people with no understanding of "AI". Pop scientists like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Elon Musk weighing in on a field with 0 overlap with their expertise is treated by the media as some kind of prophecy sent from the heavens. Don't get me wrong, there's scary shit happening with AI that we can legitimately talk about, but we are so far from a world with senti…
What's even scarier is the blind self appointed belief that one may own the thought and conversation of a topic as impactful yet graspable as AI.
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#34How is this even going to work ?
A large fraction of the advances in AI come either from China proper or by Chinese grad students in the US, or by ethnic Chinese raised in the Americas. I don't think a large fraction of this demographic shares the cold war mentality of the war hawks in the Pentagon.
USG will probably resort to will be to put restrictions on export of Nvidia GPUs/TPUs (similar to that on Intel Xeons). Hopefully, this'll have the unintended effect of breaking their monopoly of the DL market.
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#35Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
You couldn't export software implementing cryptography, but there wasn't any similar restriction on books about cryptography, even if the book contained detailed descriptions of the algorithms and the mathematics!
The PGP source code was published as a book to avoid this https://philzimmermann.com/EN/essays/BookPreface.html
The Darknet Diaries podcast has an episode on this called 'The Crypto Wars': https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/12
Re: The Commerce Department is considering national security restrictions on AI
#38How is this even going to work ? A large fraction of the advances in AI come either from China proper or by Chinese grad students in the US, or by ethnic Chinese raised in the Americas. I don't think a large fraction of this demographic shares the cold war mentality of the war hawks in the Pentagon. USG will probably resort to will be to put restrictions on export of Nvidia GPUs/TPUs (similar to that on Intel Xeons).…
May be it is a yesterday cold war but a different kind of Cold War today. Your point right to the mark. Imagine you have Russian working living and sharing all the goodies but not follow the ethnic or market dynamics (genetic modified baby is just we know, no free access to chinese market but the other way round etc) what would any sensible American these days would say.
Let us open free no restriction between china and America software border not one way. Let us do Facebook and Twitter ... no.
Open source is great in a free word and inside a free world. At least the free rider paid but just benefit to their country even they live, study and suck you dry.
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#39I'm curious how export restrictions would affect open source projects like Tensorflow and PyTorch. Would they be forced to become closed source? Could the license just include a disclaimer: "You're not allowed to use this if you're in one of the following countries: ..."? Would sites like Gitlab and Github be forced to implement per-repo geoblocking? Could they somehow be moved to ownership by a non-American entity t…
In the 90s it meant open source software (we didn’t use this term back then) like Kerberos were considered munitions and it was illegal to provide them to non-us persons without a license. At Cygnus we generated a version with no cryptography at all and sent it to Switzerland where someone wrote crypto routines (available in the open literature) that interoperated, and the everyone on the planet had access to it (but…
That mean we have two free products. Compete each other. Open source is not one software to rule them all. If you think it is restrictive to Russia, china or Swiss, open your own sources!!! Do not just suck. Give up your milk and let the world be free not just free according to contribution by American. We need more maker not free rider.