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Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich (2017)

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Post by DoreenMichele » Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 3:19 PM UTC

belorn wrote: post #79

DoreenMichele wrote: post #68

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I have six years of college. I come from a secure family background that was more upper class than I realized. I thought my family was a bunch of poor working class stiffs. My mother's mother came from a low level German noble family. They sold the title when the family fell on hard times. I'm pretty damn upper class culturally. I'm just broke, in part because "no girls allowed in the old boys club." So I can't get a…

Feeling upper class culturally is nice and all, and drawing from the studies people done on stress management it could be very beneficially, but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. College is great, but here in Sweden anyone with the intellect can study for about as long they want to endure minimal income from the state, staying at a one room apartment and cook and eat the…

but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class.

If money alone determined "socioeconomic class," we wouldn't include that "socio" part in the expression. There are many more factors than current income to such things and your statement is basically just a kind of prejudice wrapped up in ignorance.

My other handle has a hair over 25k karma. I appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard. There absolutely are men on the leaderboard who have successfully used HN to enhance their career and their finances. Listening to this kind of dismissive crap from people on HN gets tiresome.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18512553

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18466918

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich (2017)

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Post by jonathankoren » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 4:50 AM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #78

jonathankoren wrote: post #74

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Gold and silver are just shiny metals. Guns for hunting are fine. Guns for protection from people are not nearly as useful as gun sellers say. In a crisis, people don’t turn into ravenous hordes, instead they ban together and help each other. Again, and again this shows up across times and cultures.

OK, I understand the angry, hungry hordes. But if you're far away in NM or Idaho you might not experience that. Still, better to have the guns than not have them. If you have them, you get to decide. If they're a 200 people rushing you're toast, but if it's a small group you have a chance. Plus you decide the hiding place /bunker, if it's seen from far away or not. Gold and silver...the idea is that people might star…

My point is that that angry hungry hordes don't occur anywhere.

The galaxy brain trading commodity from the prepper forums is "balistic wampum", which is just a fancy way of saying "bullets", specifically bullets in common calibers. It's galaxy brain because these same forums are talking about how you need 5 different guns to protect yourself from the ravenous cannibal that used to be your neighbor. So who are you going to trade with? That's right, the ravenous cannibal that used to be your neighbor!

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich (2017)

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Post by belorn » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 3:50 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #81

belorn wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feeling upper class culturally is nice and all, and drawing from the studies people done on stress management it could be very beneficially, but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. College is great, but here in Sweden anyone with the intellect can study for about as long they want to endure minimal income from the state, staying at a one room apartment and cook and eat the…

but in the end if a person is dirt poor then that is their social economical class. If money alone determined "socioeconomic class," we wouldn't include that "socio" part in the expression. There are many more factors than current income to such things and your statement is basically just a kind of prejudice wrapped up in ignorance. My other handle has a hair over 25k karma. I appear to be the only woman to have ever…

I suspect then we have two different view on how socioeconomic class came to be a scientific term and tool.

From what I have studied and learned through my years in college and afterward is that when predictive models are made, it is not enough to just look at income. Location, education and occupation also play as a factor. However the reason why they do so is relevant, and rather than assuming they exist as a matter of nature I follow the reasoning behind it. If you want to call that ignorance then that says more about you than me.

It just happens that studying at a location where a lot of rich people study is great correlation to wealth. Living where rich people live is similar great. Having a occupation which correlated to high income is great even if one do not have high income, as is an occupation which impact the wealth of others. All those are great proxies to wealth and power, which can result in people perceiving a person as being more wealthy.

HN karma do not automatically resulted in career and financial success. It no more does that than reddit points. Networking can be fruitful but it is very context dependent. HN scores are not. If you want to believe it is all a conspiracy against women then do so, but this is the reason why I agree with 90% of your original post that cover the poverty and the importance of housing, but strongly disagree when it jumps into ranting about how you get ignored "because I'm just a woman". You have a ally in the first part, but I suspect the disagreement over the remaining 10% means you see it as opposition?

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich (2017)

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Post by manmal » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 10:01 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #67

manmal wrote: post #63

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Well, as Audioslave said, be yourself is all that you can do. Everybody has talents that bring value to society. Have you considered that the type of job you are trying to create for yourself is not the right one for you?

The world is going to hell in a hand basket. Millionaires and billionaires are taking up the thumb sucking hobby of prepping for the apocalypse. No one else seems to have answers. I'm supposed to say not my problem and go wait tables or look for a rich husband to support me because the world doesn't want to hear solutions from a woman or something?

Sounds a bit grandiose, don’t you think?

Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich (2017)

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Post by DoreenMichele » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 10:06 PM UTC

manmal wrote: post #84

DoreenMichele wrote: post #67

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The world is going to hell in a hand basket. Millionaires and billionaires are taking up the thumb sucking hobby of prepping for the apocalypse. No one else seems to have answers. I'm supposed to say not my problem and go wait tables or look for a rich husband to support me because the world doesn't want to hear solutions from a woman or something?

Sounds a bit grandiose, don’t you think?

So what are you trying to say here? Only men are allowed to dream big? Women should just plan to remain barefoot and pregnant and not get all uppity and imagine they can do anything of real value in the world?

Or are you going to say only currently rich people can dream big. Currently poor people should just stay "humble" and accept their lot in life and not complain too loudly?

Or some other dismissive justification as to why I should just accept that no one should listen to me, never mind that I have six years of college and have spent a lot of time studying such issues?