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Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by bradknowles »

SHAKEDECADE wrote: post #61
strken wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was more effective than just grounding would have been, since it had a certain fairness to it. He also helped me apply the putty, and gave half my pocket money back after it was fixed "because the jar was still half full", which is kind of funny in retrospect. It's probably easier to create teaching moments when your kid does something negligent or thoughtless, rather than downright malicious.

That’s awesome. Your dad had a good head on his shoulders during those moments. Cudos. update:spelling

Did you mean “kudos”? ;)

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by manicdee »

kokoroko wrote: post #66
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #7

So I was teaching a new guy on building some of the interior work on sailboats. I showed him how to drill a couple of holes through the fiberglass flange to mount something-or-other. Several hours later my boss asks me why there's two small holes in the hull. Well, I didn't specifically tell him not to drill through the flange, the cm of space, and through the whole hull.

Somewhat tangentially relevant, one of the reasons people find math particularly hard is because many people come into math with attitude that some things are "obvious", "self-explanatory", "common sense".

And then we find that mathematicians have wicked senses of humour so use words like “common sense” as a self-deprecatory reference to the decade they spent finding the proof :D

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by greglindahl »

jcims wrote: post #65
ars wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget it was sealed, and the seal failed. So it was initially air tight. To me that excludes sabotage, and instead points of error that someone tried to cover up. It also points to someone low-level/unskilled since they did a bad job of sealing it.

Do they know for sure it was sealed or is that just the theory how it would have got into space without detecting air loss on the ground? Based on the tracks around the actual hole it looks accidental to me.

Part of the point of looking outside was to see if they could see any remains of the seal. Something was preventing it from leaking air, until it did.

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by neuralzen »

rco8786 wrote: post #90
chiefalchemist wrote: post #34

If it was deliberate then it sound like someone who doesn't know wtf they were / are doing. That rules out the astronauts, seems to point to someone on the ground, pre-launch, with nefarious intentions but a lack of knowledge on how best to execute that ill intent. Maybe?

I’d guess incompetence over malice

Good ol' Hanlon's Razor

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

colordrops wrote: post #76
antongribok wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My boss's classmate from college went up to the ISS for the first time a couple of years ago. They graduated about 25 years ago and his classmate worked nonstop for 25 years to get to go to space. My understanding is once there, you work 16 hour days non-stop. I think most people would describe being on the ISS as anything else but "boring".

ISS crew have more tasks than time, and typically undersleep.

Do you know this for a fact? Where can I learn more about how they occupy their time?

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by Phlarp »

theoh wrote: post #24
huhtenberg wrote: post #13

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There are drill bit skid marks, so, in theory, it might be possible to build some sort of a model (of a drill held by a human hand) and then see under which conditions these skids marks _are_ possible. But that's without considering that the simplest explanation is usually the right one and the at-orbit sabotage is just not that.

Presumably there's a "breakout" burr on the outside surface of the metal which indicates that the drill bit emerged through that surface.

This only indicates that the hole was made from one side or the other-- we can't say for sure that just because the hole was drilled from the inside that it was done in orbit.

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by headsoup »

mrhappyunhappy wrote: post #70
sandworm101 wrote: post #54

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>> method of making sure I finished my meal That approach has been linked to the obesity crisis. MacDonalds knows all about it, the need to finish what is given to you regardless of whether you are still hungry. They observe the lengths customers go to get that last fry at the bottom of the container. We should at least consider teaching kids today to not eat everything on the plate every time. Perhaps they should le…

Do like the Japanese, stop when you feel 80% full, let the brain catch on the the fact that you Are no longer hungry.

What if I feel 84% full?

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by randallsquared »

Waterluvian wrote: post #12
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #7

So I was teaching a new guy on building some of the interior work on sailboats. I showed him how to drill a couple of holes through the fiberglass flange to mount something-or-other. Several hours later my boss asks me why there's two small holes in the hull. Well, I didn't specifically tell him not to drill through the flange, the cm of space, and through the whole hull.

I'm a smart person but when learning stuff I often feel really dumb because I ask what should be really obvious questions. It's some weird mix of ignorance and fear of doing it wrong in front of the boss. "So fasten x to y with a screw." "Do I drill through and into the workbench too?" "Why would you do that?!" (In my mind) well I saw someone else fastening a work piece to the bench temporarily like that and why woul…

If you don't know, it is not clear that it makes zero sense. I'm often on each side of this, and what it really drives home is that most people do not actually consider most of the ways in which something can be done differently. :)

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by anonymfus »

mindcrime wrote: post #58
org3432 wrote: post #18

Well if it was drilled from the outside in, that would be spooky.

It would be even spookier if somebody (unexpected) knocked on the door...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtMY0x3TOS8

(The joke is based on Russian pun: slang word for policeman is literally garbage, the title of the painting is "space garbage").

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by c22 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #72
nl wrote: post #60

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It's ok to go kick a garbage can sometimes. Raising kids is hard enough without feeling bad for damaging garbage cans. Pro-tip, though: don't kick walls. Broken toes suck.

A stud once every 16 inches? I like those odds!

Broken drywall sucks too. Especially after it's been sitting there half-repaired for 6 months and your spouse keeps nagging you about it.
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