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Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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In the museum on Nantuckut there is a display devoted to the USS Essex, a whaling ship (it is the ship that the whale rams, I think). One incindent that made an impression on me was a sailor, who was driven insane by boredom, and sabotaged the ship, just for something to happen.

I understand space to be unbelivably boring.

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

#23
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dad made me buy him some hole filling putty with my pocket money after I did this to his workbench at an age where I really should have known better. Apparently you're meant to clamp an offcut between the piece you're drilling into and the bench.

In retrospect do you think your dad's approach was an effective teaching method? I'm slowly trying to figure out what kind of disciplinarian I'm going to be with my boys.

Depends if it was accompanied by insults and derision (bad) or patience and understanding that it is a learning opportunity and mistakes need to be rectified (note I didn't say paid for)

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

#24
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Can they figure out if it was drilled in space or Earth

There are drill bit skid marks, so, in theory, it might be possible to build some sort of a model (of a drill held by a human hand) and then see under which conditions these skids marks _are_ possible. But that's without considering that the simplest explanation is usually the right one and the at-orbit sabotage is just not that.

Presumably there's a "breakout" burr on the outside surface of the metal which indicates that the drill bit emerged through that surface.

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

#25
Its good that none of the suspects could leave the station, due to the hostile weather outside- assemble them all in the salon, if you would be so kind. Yes, include the maid, the butler and the gardener. By the simple powers of deduction, we shall corner the culprit.

First, applying force to the station, by escaping air, should register as a slight change in vector to the instruments. So we can deduct the exact time the vector occurred first.

Now at the time of the incident we had the following personal on station.

Anne McClain Commander Oleg Kononenko David Saint-Jacques

We shall find the culprit, my dear Watson, it is only a matter of time.

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

#26
> they wasted no time plugging the hole with epoxy and gauze. [from article]

>Sealed with epoxy and resin [from photo caption]

I'm kindof confused, was it resin-impregnated gauze?

I'm also curious: If the hole was in a more-critical location, like one of the station's modules, would that be the repair process? Or would they be doing welding in space?

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

#28
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In retrospect do you think your dad's approach was an effective teaching method? I'm slowly trying to figure out what kind of disciplinarian I'm going to be with my boys.

Depends if it was accompanied by insults and derision (bad) or patience and understanding that it is a learning opportunity and mistakes need to be rectified (note I didn't say paid for)

This is the approach I (try, and try and try and try) to take with my kids (6,4,2). I repeatedly tell them I will never be mad at them for mistakes, but they have to help fix them- whatever that may be. I also tell them I will get mad if they do it on purpose and/or I’ve instructed them not to do said thing that caused whatever issue. I try very hard to be explicit with instruction. Saying “be careful” doesn’t mean a whole lot, but saying “pour the water slowly and with two hands” can lead to a good result. Or “don’t jump off the couch because [insert reasons]”.

Frankly, they’re young and even when they’ve done something on purpose or are being bratty I try to coach them up again, sometimes I lose it and get mad- but I never use derision or name calling.

Losing it is usually just “Why? WHY?! Why did you just pull the step stool out and use the Christmas tree as a punching bag after I told you to stay back because it will fall over?!”

I use my logic brain to try and rationalize myself into a calm state, “well you told them to be careful with the jug of water, you didn’t say don’t pour it all over the dining room table”.

Man, they find some awesome ways to make a disaster sometimes...

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

#29
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are drill bit skid marks, so, in theory, it might be possible to build some sort of a model (of a drill held by a human hand) and then see under which conditions these skids marks _are_ possible. But that's without considering that the simplest explanation is usually the right one and the at-orbit sabotage is just not that.

Presumably there's a "breakout" burr on the outside surface of the metal which indicates that the drill bit emerged through that surface.

That would be very hard to remove evidence.

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

#30

> they wasted no time plugging the hole with epoxy and gauze. [from article] >Sealed with epoxy and resin [from photo caption] I'm kindof confused, was it resin-impregnated gauze? I'm also curious: If the hole was in a more-critical location, like one of the station's modules, would that be the repair process? Or would they be doing welding in space?

It's a small hole that doesn't really compromise structural integrity, and it doesn't have to hold that much pressure --- remember that sea-level atmospheric pressure is <15psia, and in the vacuum of space it's effectively 0, so the difference is <15psi.
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