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Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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There are several comments here noting that small towns are pretty well wired. I’m fortunate to have just purchased a vacation home in rural Wisconsin (close to family). In DC, I have 100Mbps fiber, a free upgrade from FiOS from the 25Mbps I ordered, with the option to get a gigabit. At my other house, I have a 6Mbps DSL that only delivers 1.5Mbps at best, with a couple hundred Kbps upload. There’s a cell tower only…

Different locations have different issues, but I think your potential for great and affordable seasonal broadband is actually excellent. Conferencing, pairing, and streaming are going to be just fine. You're a techie --- you can solve this. Since I'm fond of rural Wisconsin, and have solved similar cellular problems elsewhere, allow me to make some suggestions.

If the tower you are able to hit with 2 bars is AT&T, buy a used/refurbished MR1100 cellular router for less than $150 from Ebay, buy a high gain 4G MIMO antenna and cables for about $100 (try to learn what frequency your tower is on first), and pay $50 a month for an unlimited AT&T data sim (I've used this guy: https://www.ebay.com/itm/4G-LTE-ATT-Unlimited-HOTSPOT-Data-5...).

If your closest tower is not AT&T, there's probably something comparable. There's probably not a great price advantage to the SIM card resellers, but they do make it easier to try things out. I'm currently using an excellent local provider instead of AT&T (VTelWireless), and a speed test just confirmed I'm at a delightfully usable 50/25 Mbit/s.

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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> I see a lot of people who were doctors, lawyers, and tech professionals in the farming business. That is probably not a coincidence. That is just the Green Acres phenomenon, they are doing it because they have capital from other professions, not because they make a lot in farming. You have a very strange interpretation of farming in the USA, if you could provide some links/articles that back up your understand, I w…

> That is just the Green Acres phenomenon I am not entirely familiar with the reference. I have heard of the show, but never seen it. But indeed they are able to start farming because they are more likely to have the capital than someone who is barely making ends meet. Nobody is questioning that it takes capital to start farming. > You have a very strange interpretation of farming in the USA, if you could provide som…

The Green Acres phenomenon is that a lot of city folk think that if they get the capital, they could go buy some land, equipment, and have a reasonable chance of becoming successful farmers without a long period of education or apprenticeship; It's part of what I call the myth of unskilled labor.

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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I grew up in a rural area near Sacramento. Culture is your big problem; when I was there, reading in public was "gay" and grounds for a (light) beating/physical humiliation. Of course, I was in high school at the time, and high school is terrible everywhere; I'm sure it's different for adults. But, point being, at least in the '90s, it was not a place that encourages you to study or engage in intellectual pursuits.

Culture can be one of the challenges, and it is different once you get out of high school. This area (Nevada County) is far less hostile overall.

One of the reasons why I love the bay area so much is that not only is it not hostile, it's actively supportive. Like people talk about their favorite tech companies the way people talk about football teams in other parts of the country.

Moving from Yolo County to Santa Clara county, for me, was going from a place where being what I am made me an outcast, to a place where being what I am made me... valued to an irrational degree. Like I am not saying the bay area is better for everyone, I've talked to some people who find it really unfriendly here, but... for someone like me? it was really amazing to go from being treated irrationally badly to being treated.. irrationally well.

I think that and the fact that this is home for so many people who grew up with parents in the tech industry is really the advantage the bay area has for tech industry work. I think everything else would follow, if you could move those things elsewhere. Getting good internet connectivity, even to a farm, really isn't that difficult or expensive, compared to the cost of a decent Engineer.

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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... They are proud of their small-town values .... And this part of the issue. I come from a small town. The “values” of small towns are racist, homophopic, and nationalistic. I’ve known many people who moved away, started dating someone of another race and then come back home with their significant other and feel completely out of place - not because of family, but because of the city. I’ve also had gay relatives wh…

Not "all" small towns are racist. Saying so is just ignorant.

I also think of all the values small towns have these aren't the forefront.

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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https://datasmart.ash.harvard.edu/news/article/where-is-gent... : it seems like gentrification means displacement of existing population that is lower income. It doesn’t address affordability. Cupertino doesn’t need to be more gentrified by becoming high density. Average condo price was 1 million ten years ago. How is high density in already affordable places more sustainable? Example:Oakland. Oakland was a poorer pa…

One of your Quora links is notorious Internet anger man Michael O'Church. He hates everything about the Bay Area tech industry and so his views are ridiculously flamebaity. His statements have low signal.

I don’t know what to say about that. I figured there were a multitude of opinions in Quora forums.

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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If cities are rich because of high concentrations of capital and talent, then it really is a choice between living in a poor area and living in a rich one. You can’t make the poor areas rich without giving them qualities of the rich areas, at which point they simply switch over and become “big cities”.

Trouble is that while cities may be rich, the people living there are not. It is true that cities are the likely home to those with incredible fortunes, but they are also home to many in abject poverty. In fact, while average incomes tend to be higher in big cities, median incomes in big cities tend to be lower . This suggests that you have some people doing really well, and a whole lot of people doing not so great.…

I'm a bit skeptical of the median income being lower than rural areas. I could see median income relative to cost of living being lower, but median income by itself being lower would be shocking. Do you have a source on that?

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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post #123

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Culture can be one of the challenges, and it is different once you get out of high school. This area (Nevada County) is far less hostile overall.

One of the reasons why I love the bay area so much is that not only is it not hostile, it's actively supportive. Like people talk about their favorite tech companies the way people talk about football teams in other parts of the country. Moving from Yolo County to Santa Clara county, for me, was going from a place where being what I am made me an outcast, to a place where being what I am made me... valued to an irrat…

I grew up in the east bay, and my experience at school wasn't great, despite being lucky enough to go to one of the most technologically advanced school districts in the state at the time.

Anyway, everything else doesn't follow, because culture isn't a thing that can be just transported from one place to another. Nobody's got a reliable recipe for growing a specific culture. I think culture is instead a result of the environment.

Bend, Oregon has a great craft beer and outdoor culture that is the result of having Mount Hood and other features nearby, and being close enough to some metropolitan areas to get supplies but far enough away from them to retain its own identity.

Moab, Utah has a strong outdoors identity but little economy outside of that, because while they're one of the top destinations for mountain bikers, offroaders, hikers, and canyoneers, they're hours away from anything that anyone on HN would consider "a city".

Seattle's culture is largely the result of its location and history as a sea port and lumber area, and then a home to Boeing before Microsoft and the rest arrived. (And coffee for suffering through the winter.)

San Jose was a vast agricultural area when one side of my family settled in it a hundred years ago. Vast acres of easy-to-transform land, loose environmental regulations, nearby Stanford University, then Hewlett-Packard all transformed the culture there from agricultural to tech-driven.

So this is what I'm getting at: you don't set out to change the culture in an area. I don't think it works that way. I think the culture is an emergent effect of the conditions, and maybe you can change a few of the conditions a little bit, but mostly they work like natural processes. It's not economically feasible to just create a tech culture in a rural area, nor can you simply "change the culture" to make a rural area more tech-friendly.

There are a handful of people here who've had enough money to pay the $50k or more to get fiber lit up on their property. Doing that didn't make them more successful; they were already successful enough to be able to do it, and that success came from elsewhere.

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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well, germany is quite spread out and has lots of tech in smaller towns. It's not always perfect and we are also struggeling with some things, but I think a few approaches can be emulated. First, I think it's important that the small town is not on it's own, but in a close neighborhood of other smaller towns with which it's cooperating a lot. For a serious tech economy, even small towns need a working ecosystem (and…

Of the top of my head I can't remember a single big online thing targeting consumers that Germany does. The US has google, facebook, twitter etc, so rather than say Germany has figured out how to do tech in a small town, I would rather think it is accurate for Germany not to have figured out the tech at all.

I know they make cars with electronics in them, but honestly I haven't seen a car with electronics that fundamentally changed how most people approached anything (Cruise Control is nice; self-driving would be a fundamental game changer), Apple and Google have done so in my life time.

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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If cities are rich because of high concentrations of capital and talent, then it really is a choice between living in a poor area and living in a rich one. You can’t make the poor areas rich without giving them qualities of the rich areas, at which point they simply switch over and become “big cities”.

Trouble is that while cities may be rich, the people living there are not. It is true that cities are the likely home to those with incredible fortunes, but they are also home to many in abject poverty. In fact, while average incomes tend to be higher in big cities, median incomes in big cities tend to be lower . This suggests that you have some people doing really well, and a whole lot of people doing not so great.…

That would suggest that it is not worth it for people who are only going to make a small amount of money over minimum income to move to SF, and that they shouldn't.

Alternatively, put a tax on rental income then use that to found more buildings. I am not a fan of taxes, but since rents will always expand they aren't a bad subject to tax.

Re: Ways to Bring Tech Jobs to Rural Areas

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... They are proud of their small-town values .... And this part of the issue. I come from a small town. The “values” of small towns are racist, homophopic, and nationalistic. I’ve known many people who moved away, started dating someone of another race and then come back home with their significant other and feel completely out of place - not because of family, but because of the city. I’ve also had gay relatives wh…

Not "all" small towns are racist. Saying so is just ignorant. I also think of all the values small towns have these aren't the forefront.

So which small rural town do you know of that is welcoming to non native Americans, minorities, or non straight people?
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