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Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

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Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

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If you want to avoid running random experimental mozilla code on your machine without any kind of confirmation needed by you remember to go to about:preferences#privacy in the "Firefox Data Collection and Use" and turn "Allow Firefox to install and run studies" to off.

I would also set the about:config options "network.allow-experiments" and "app.normandy.enabled" to false.

Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

#22

It's an experiment in hurting the good will of their brand. I still use Firefox but it's painful sometimes. Not as painful as Chrome, but Mozilla seems determined to come up with unexpected new ways to fuck up Firefox for some reason.

It's simple: $$$$$. Every one of these actions is a short-term cash grab. The real amazing part is how privacy advocates let these transgressions, or what Mozilla calls "experiments", slide.

Here's reality, though:

The minimum annual cash burn to have a high quality browser engine, js runtime, and UI seems to be several hundred million dollars.

FF is now utterly dependent on google for cash (and to be fair, google really needs FF to exist to pretend chrome isn't close to a monopoly). But who knows how long that will last and if/when google will exert control. One of the best things for Mozilla to do as an org is to figure out a non-google-dependent revenue stream.

Privacy respecting ads are a good compromise.

Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simple: $$$$$. Every one of these actions is a short-term cash grab. The real amazing part is how privacy advocates let these transgressions, or what Mozilla calls "experiments", slide.

Is there anything to suggest that this violated people's privacy? If not, I see no reason why privacy advocates should have a problem with it.

People use privacy to also mean "you violated the sanctity of my mind by beaming propaganda onto my retinas".

Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

#25
the hubbub over this seems overblown. sure, there is advertising value to booking.com, but if no data is shared with them until you click on the offer, this seems like a decent privacy-respecting effort to find another revenue stream for mozilla that's not google. if you already use booking.com, it's 20 bucks free.

moreover you can turn off snippets in the about:preferences > Home tab.

at least it's not chrome, which constantly and intrusively monitors you for advertising value.

Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

#26

Based on their logic ads in newspapers aren't ads because customer information isn't shared with the advertiser until they connect with the ad and visit their store.

that's not quite right. newspaper ads are paid placement, while these are not. being paid for placement is an essential feature of advertising. so to differentiate from that, mozilla uses the term "offer" here.

Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simple: $$$$$. Every one of these actions is a short-term cash grab. The real amazing part is how privacy advocates let these transgressions, or what Mozilla calls "experiments", slide.

Here's reality, though: The minimum annual cash burn to have a high quality browser engine, js runtime, and UI seems to be several hundred million dollars. FF is now utterly dependent on google for cash (and to be fair, google really needs FF to exist to pretend chrome isn't close to a monopoly). But who knows how long that will last and if/when google will exert control. One of the best things for Mozilla to do as a…

Yes but Mozilla does a lot more now than produce and maintain software. For example, in 2017 it spent $24m on its internet health project [1].

I’m making no judgement about that but there are two sides to fiscal longevity: getting more money is one, the other is to focus spending.

1. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2017/

Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

#28
While I'm not thrilled Mozilla ran an experiment placing ads in the browser, I am confident that anything they release will be easy to disable via about:config or some other configuration.

However, looking closer at this situation there is a bit of a troubling fact that `experiments.enabled` - the configuration directive used here - doesn't appear in about:config but certainly is being used:

https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-esr45/source/browser/experim...

Looks like someone filed a bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1517147

Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

#29
post #16

Wow. They keep using that word 'experiment' to mean 'I can run whatever code I want on an end user's computer' which is not right. It's an ad. You're pushing ads. It's not the worst thing in the world if you just call it what it is, but using the 'experiments' mechanism to push ads is scummy and to me a violation of trust. I've been running Firefox inside of Firejail, a sandbox, lately, primarily as a light form of e…

the difference may not matter to you but it's not an ad because it's not a paid placement. no personal info is shared up front either.

obviously you'd share info once you click on it. i don't like ads either, but this seems better than the standard track-you-out-the-wazoo ad.

Re: Mozilla: Ad on Firefox’s new tab page was just another experiment

#30

Based on their logic ads in newspapers aren't ads because customer information isn't shared with the advertiser until they connect with the ad and visit their store.

that's not quite right. newspaper ads are paid placement, while these are not. being paid for placement is an essential feature of advertising. so to differentiate from that, mozilla uses the term "offer" here.

Paid placement is just one model of advertisement. Other well known ones are paid per impression, per click, per action. This is obviously the last one.

I guess Mozilla is confident enough not many people understand what CPA ads are to claim they are not ads.

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