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How is it just a choice of living in a poor area vs a rich one? What if the people living in the poor areas don’t even have a high school degree? Can they suddenly decide they want to work and live in the rich area?
Yes, that has been happening for the last 150 years at least.
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#32If cities are rich because of high concentrations of capital and talent, then it really is a choice between living in a poor area and living in a rich one. You can’t make the poor areas rich without giving them qualities of the rich areas, at which point they simply switch over and become “big cities”.
How is it just a choice of living in a poor area vs a rich one? What if the people living in the poor areas don’t even have a high school degree? Can they suddenly decide they want to work and live in the rich area?
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trouble is that while cities may be rich, the people living there are not. It is true that cities are the likely home to those with incredible fortunes, but they are also home to many in abject poverty. In fact, while average incomes tend to be higher in big cities, median incomes in big cities tend to be lower . This suggests that you have some people doing really well, and a whole lot of people doing not so great.…
The city has a concentration of talent and capital, this doesn’t mean it doesn’t have other things also. In fact, cities are seen as stepping stones for many that lack much talent or capital, which is why they have a lot of poor people: the cities are not creating these people themselves, quite the opposite actually. The kid working st Mcdonads in the big city is probably making $15/hour vs. $8 back in their rural ho…
Absolutely. Humans have a very long history of trying to emulate the rich, and not only with respect to choice of residence, in hopes that doing what they the rich do is the missing link in why they are not rich. We have even seen in the past times where people were leaving the city because that is what the rich had done (favouring large rural estates at the time), leaving the conclusion to be that living in the city is why one is not rich. Which, admittedly, is a fairly rational decision given the incomplete information we have about what makes one rich, no doubt, but a faulty decision due to that lack of information.
But choice or residence, choice of fashion, or the many other things that people have tried to emulate over the years is not why they are not rich. The missing link is not nearly that simple. If it was, we would all be rich.
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#35Digital nomads will go to places like Thailand where CoL is cheap and internet is fast, I wonder if a small town could emulate that experience. Doesn’t have to be quite as cheap, but won’t give you food poisoning and could be safer too.
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#36And then, when there are a bunch of people who really want to improve actual problems arise. E.g. universities being too expensive for them. Even free online courses require some level of basic skill to start use them. How to get the funds for the equipment. And of course the technicl infrastructure to provide electricity, infrastructure and basic living needs one can't provide for when one spends 10 hours crunching technical problems.
These are problems I hoped to find answers for in the article, or at least suggestions. People being too proud to accept the new status quo and hoping for more icing on their apparently already tasty enough cake before they start moving their asses, that is nothing. Even if they get it they won't start moving. Cake makes fat and lazy.
I personally feel a lot of the mid-level towns in Western countries (not just in the US of A) actually have a good starting point. Roads and trains are already government supported and therefore good enough quality or better. Super markets and a few restaurants are there already as well. Internet is there, although it's maybe not the highest speed. Schools and libraries have some computers and wifi access if they want to. Office rent and land prices are cheap. Also with the internet location itself is less and less important, which is why so many administrative and create jobs can be outsourced. They could be outsourced to your town as well, if you could find a way to compete. No need to be close to natural resources, in a trade hub like a coastal town, etc. Somewhere in the middle of nowhere, with road and internet access is totally fine to start competing.
The only thing that is really missing badly is people moving their asses. They have a tv and enough money to buy beer. The car repair every once in a while is quite painful, but otherwise they don't feel motivated to do anything with their life. Some won't even travel to a nearby coastal town for a weekend on the beach or something.
In the meantime I'm friends with a Chinese cook who works for $100/month a 14h/7day cooking job and then after that at home spends time learning how to code to make more money and work fewer hours. I mean, if our rural folks could get up to do half of that, then they would be able to work a $50k remote work web/app developer position in no time, and boom they are part of the "tech elite".
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#37Digital nomads will go to places like Thailand where CoL is cheap and internet is fast, I wonder if a small town could emulate that experience. Doesn’t have to be quite as cheap, but won’t give you food poisoning and could be safer too.
There's the rub. Starlink can't come out fast enough!
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#38Digital nomads will go to places like Thailand where CoL is cheap and internet is fast, I wonder if a small town could emulate that experience. Doesn’t have to be quite as cheap, but won’t give you food poisoning and could be safer too.
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#39If cities are rich because of high concentrations of capital and talent, then it really is a choice between living in a poor area and living in a rich one. You can’t make the poor areas rich without giving them qualities of the rich areas, at which point they simply switch over and become “big cities”.
Trouble is that while cities may be rich, the people living there are not. It is true that cities are the likely home to those with incredible fortunes, but they are also home to many in abject poverty. In fact, while average incomes tend to be higher in big cities, median incomes in big cities tend to be lower . This suggests that you have some people doing really well, and a whole lot of people doing not so great.…
The Dunbar number(for households) is a good number for each self sufficient ‘village city’. That would be 150 households with a max of 4 per household. 4-6 ‘village cities’ will make a networked cluster. They can share some common facilities(schools/parks) And so on.
Currently, in the Bay Area, the problem is centralized claw of Sacramento. We are a ‘mega region’. Infrastructure, essential services, schools, traffic, housing...everything is failing. Bay Area is starting to rot. One has to live here to feel the despair of the working stiff.
As an example: our city council has meetings every Tuesday starting at 7.00 pm. Nobody can attend and voice their ‘concerns’. Everyone is stuck in traffic. The other day, in one of our neighbourhood boards, a neighbour bemoaned Prop 13 and the retired ‘olds’ who aren’t pulling their weight. He said that he has two kids and his household makes only $500k and by the time he pays taxes and childcare and mortagage, he is broke. I had to shut down my computer and step away from the keyboard for a bit.
And he is not the only one. He isn’t the exception, but the norm. He is a Silicon Valley high tech worker statistic. The 2kid/2car/2million dollar home living/resentful BROKE paycheck-to-paycheck ..waiting for the windfall IPO because he doesn’t have a lifetime pension like the low paid clerk at PG&E or police officer..and is bitter because he is stuck in traffic ..because he is anxious..because he has to keep running faster to stay in the same place...because he can’t quit his job.
Meanwhile the govt is the mafia and we keep paying higher and higher taxes. Cities are getting denser, resources are getting thinner, schools overcrowded, roads are clogged. Everyone feels guilty because the average Silicon Valley worker is the poster child for unchecked privilege and the epitome of evil for promoting inequality.
This is Silicon Valley. This is the Bay Area. Let us contain our curse..our little dirty secret..our infectious virus..I hope we don’t spread it to other places.
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#40Ro Khanna is my hometown progressive. So..obviously..I distrust the politician representing us. Why can’t he do a better job with our multitude of problems? Bay Area is choking. In more ways than one. Talking points is not the same as actually getting them done. It’s just a way to get elected. Again. Also..am I the only one who found the Indian-Pakistani restaurant quip offensive? This is why some of the rest of the…