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Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by dnautics » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 9:34 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #487

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You stated: “People do it because they're financially distressed (relative to their locality). They can't both live alone and save money comfortably.” This is false for software engineers in the Bay Area. Can they save more by living with roommates? Sure. But they wouldn’t be “financially distressed” or “unable to save money comfortably” if they didn’t - that is easily verified by looking up new grad salaries and ren…

> It’s simply a rational decision - these are people who were living with roommates in college and by continuing that arrangement can save more, live in a better location w/ more amenities, and quite often share a place with friends - win/win/win. That's true everywhere . Yet the overwhelming majority choose not to have roommates.

There's selection bias in your analysis. People who are attracted to big cities are more likely to enjoy the company of living with other people, and vice versa.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by dang » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 9:43 PM UTC

ArchTypical wrote: post #451

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This comment breaks the site guidelines, which specifically ask you not to do this. If you're worried about abuse, you're welcome to email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can investigate. The guidelines say that too. Would you mind reading them and following them when posting here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

im not going to create an email to anonymously notify the same site who will review a flagged comment anyway. So, to the process as described, no. I think the comment was timely and relevant, others just disagree about the utility.

Ok, but we ban accounts that break the guidelines, so please don't do that again.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by kazinator » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 11:46 PM UTC

lisper wrote: post #483

world32 wrote: post #470

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> I was annoyed because they lied to me. That's a bit of an overstatement, chances are there was a miscommunication and the person interviewing you did not know that you had been told there would be a know ruby questions. Seriously, its just an interview, they're not going to go out of their way to accomodate your every request, just roll with it. Since you were able to debug the ruby code, its sounds like you could…

> That's a bit of an overstatement, With all due respect I think I'm in a better position to judge that than you are. But there are two things you should know. First, I haven't told you the whole story (and I'm not going to). And second... > the person interviewing you did not know that you had been told there would be a know [sic] ruby questions The conversation went something like this: Him: Welcome, the first thin…

Maybe they were curious about how someone who has never worked with Ruby (but has tons of related experience otherwise) would fare with it. Or, curious how grokkable their particular code is to non-Rubyists.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by lisper » Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 1:50 AM UTC

kazinator wrote: post #493

lisper wrote: post #483

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> That's a bit of an overstatement, With all due respect I think I'm in a better position to judge that than you are. But there are two things you should know. First, I haven't told you the whole story (and I'm not going to). And second... > the person interviewing you did not know that you had been told there would be a know [sic] ruby questions The conversation went something like this: Him: Welcome, the first thin…

Maybe they were curious about how someone who has never worked with Ruby (but has tons of related experience otherwise) would fare with it. Or, curious how grokkable their particular code is to non-Rubyists.

I'm pretty sure it was more that the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by mtnGoat » Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 9:05 PM UTC

ethagnawl wrote: post #339

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The only dev I've worked with that I'd elevate to the wizard level... interview was a disaster, it was his first out of college, he was shy, answers were short, etc. We hired him anyways to get favor with his family, figured we would churn him out and keep everyone happy. Best hire ever! The quiet shy kid could code circles around anyone id met prior. Oddly he hired someone else with same degree from same well respec…

> We hired him anyways to get favor with his family, figured we would churn him out and keep everyone happy. If you don't mind my asking, which country were/are you located in and what line of business were/are you working in?

At that time, Austria doing Ecommerce and enterprise web dev.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by sharemywin » Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 9:53 PM UTC

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Its funny how much life is staked against with a family. especially if one or both of you don't have a college degree. school hours aren't set up for jobs. A lot of companies don't tolerate sick kids. daycare is beyond expensive. health care for families is just impossible. Most people don't have enough savings to make a dent.

Society is still geared for either one spouse and/or extended family to help with childcare.

except one salary doesn't cut it anymore. especially, with >$1000/mo in health insurance. with high deductibles.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by oarabbus_ » Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 11:26 PM UTC

unclebucknasty wrote: post #413

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EDIT: parent comment edited it from 2017 to 2007. That makes a lot more sense Yeesh, in 2017? Zuckerberg was really young when he get vaulted into power and fame, so I've always been a little more sympathetic than most to his various foot-in-mouth moments[1], particularly in the past. But Jesus, 2017 was _last year_: how is he such a slow study at this? [1] I should not that I have some pretty severe disagreements wi…

Zuckerberg is who he is--the same guy who, in college, called his fellow students "dumb f---s" for trusting him with their data. People want to excuse that as youth, but he wasn't an 8 year-old; he was an adult, with many of his morals formed. A statement like that is not indicative of immaturity, but insight into character--the way he views himself and other people--and it also reveals a willingness to use dishonest…

>Zuckerberg is who he is--the same guy who, in college, called his fellow students "dumb f---s" for trusting him with their data.

I don't really get why people constantly bring this up. First of all he's not wrong - anyone with a FB account (including myself) is an idiot for trusting them, and second of all, it's not even really that insensitive. I mean, could most people here really claim to have never said anything as bad as that in college?

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by pojzon » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 12:16 AM UTC

lolc wrote: post #37

pojzon wrote: post #19

Works pretty well for Google tho. Too bad most companies dont understand that they are not Google! and never will be - most often - dont even have to be. Unfortunately most managers are sheeps, only able to copy ideas of other ppl without thought if its even needed/required. Im in this industry for a few years and already see that all middle level managers should be fired. Software Craftsmen would be a lot better to…

Your perspective will grow naturally with your experience. But your attitude will need painful work.

Ad hominem

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by im3w1l » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 8:05 AM UTC

perfmode wrote: post #457

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Maybe it's because the intelligent families have already risen to the top in the US but not in the other countries.

I wish more people on this site would refrain from chucking crap arguments against a wall hoping they’ll stick. It’s exhausting to have to constantly point out invalid arguments to people who can’t be bothered to take responsibility for their intellectual pollution. > the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities. If we accept this definition, and the United States scores poorly, t…

I meant to reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18789008 , agree my comment makes little sense when read as a reply to you.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Post by world32 » Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 8:12 AM UTC

lisper wrote: post #483

world32 wrote: post #470

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> I was annoyed because they lied to me. That's a bit of an overstatement, chances are there was a miscommunication and the person interviewing you did not know that you had been told there would be a know ruby questions. Seriously, its just an interview, they're not going to go out of their way to accomodate your every request, just roll with it. Since you were able to debug the ruby code, its sounds like you could…

> That's a bit of an overstatement, With all due respect I think I'm in a better position to judge that than you are. But there are two things you should know. First, I haven't told you the whole story (and I'm not going to). And second... > the person interviewing you did not know that you had been told there would be a know [sic] ruby questions The conversation went something like this: Him: Welcome, the first thin…

Ok, so that conversation sounds pretty reasonable, you said "OK, I'll give it my best shot, but don't expect too much.", then proceeded to give it a shot and actually succeeded at debugging it. So... whats the problem?