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Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

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Re: Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

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Was it a mistake for Apply to set the precedent that they will not take action against large tech firms that do this?

Regardless of what is a 'fair' fee, what happens when the handful of apps that generate the vast majority of revenue move their transactions away from the marketplace?

What is Apple/Google's next move?

Re: Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

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Was it a mistake for Apply to set the precedent that they will not take action against large tech firms that do this? Regardless of what is a 'fair' fee, what happens when the handful of apps that generate the vast majority of revenue move their transactions away from the marketplace? What is Apple/Google's next move?

Continue to make money on selling hardware (Apple) and software licenses (Google), just less than they get now? There's no particular social good I can see that derives from the platform vendor getting a cut of customer activity. Historically, open systems have always been more successful than closed ones. It's no less true now than it was in the IBM vs. Unix days.

Re: Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

#24
2019 may be the year the 30% cut officially dies. All in the last few months:

- Epic Games refused to release Fortnite via the Play Store

- Valve lowered it's cut from 30% for major publishers to keep them from leaving

- Epic Games then announced a store with a 12% cut for PC and Android (the latter coming in 2019)

- Discord followed by announcing a 10% cut

- Netflix has pulled out of paying Apple's 30% cut

- There's a pending antitrust case against Apple's Store that has, on procedural grounds, already made it to the Supreme Court

Re: Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

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Was it a mistake for Apply to set the precedent that they will not take action against large tech firms that do this? Regardless of what is a 'fair' fee, what happens when the handful of apps that generate the vast majority of revenue move their transactions away from the marketplace? What is Apple/Google's next move?

> What is Apple/Google's next move?

Innovate. Cannibalize existing products. Surprise us. Unless they want to attract more of the "business" types that will suck them dry until they end up, one day, a long time from now... like Sears.

Re: Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

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Was it a mistake for Apply to set the precedent that they will not take action against large tech firms that do this? Regardless of what is a 'fair' fee, what happens when the handful of apps that generate the vast majority of revenue move their transactions away from the marketplace? What is Apple/Google's next move?

The move should be to do nothing, or offer better terms to companies, as just about every other move harms consumers.

Re: Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

#27

Was it a mistake for Apply to set the precedent that they will not take action against large tech firms that do this? Regardless of what is a 'fair' fee, what happens when the handful of apps that generate the vast majority of revenue move their transactions away from the marketplace? What is Apple/Google's next move?

Apple's next move is to compete by charging reasonable rates, instead of completely unreasonable ones. Netflix is a low chargeback risk, high volume customer and should expect to be paying 1.5-2% for an initial charge and even less for continued payments on the same card. Apple is charging 30% for the first year of payments and 15% after that.

30% is reasonable for an app from an unknown dev where the platform might have to eat a large refund after the dev disappears and the app turns out to have been a scam. charging that same rate to netflix for subscription payments is price gouging, plain and simple.

As the article says, apple was making somewhere on the order of $700k per day off Netflix's transaction fees. For doing basically nothing. Netflix is obviously willing to pay more than basic credit card processing fees for the convenience factor of having in-app billing on iOS, so all apple needs to do to keep that business is to be willing to negotiate.

Re: Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

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Was it a mistake for Apply to set the precedent that they will not take action against large tech firms that do this? Regardless of what is a 'fair' fee, what happens when the handful of apps that generate the vast majority of revenue move their transactions away from the marketplace? What is Apple/Google's next move?

They could:

- adjust the revenue share percentage to match the perceived value (convenience/UX mostly, but there are others such as marketing, chargeback protection, etc...)

- play hard ball by rejecting apps that "don't comply with our seamless guidelines on the user experience"

- make deals on a case by case basis (ie "if your rev is > $X millions, contact us") or have a volume discount on the revenue share percentage

It all boils down to the same "cost vs value" perception, and that isn't uniform across all apps/developers so it's not very surprising that the "one size fits all" is starting to show its limits.

Re: Netflix stops paying the ‘Apple tax’ on its $853M in annual iOS revenue

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It's ludicrous for Apple to state they somehow increased business for Netflix, because they allowed "sign-up" via iOS. That's like Google claiming they allowed sign-up via chrome, or AT&T claiming they allowed sign up via their Network.

Apple adds ZERO value via the app store, both for devs and for the consumers.

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